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There is a "Sof Passuq" btw the verses.  This is a symbol which marks the end 
of the verse, but just like vowels , it is not indigenous to the text but was 
added when the text began to be written with vocalization marks.  So it just 
looks like our translatorts just followed that.
--
Kelton Graham 
KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net

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From: "Kerry VonDross" <vondross AT execpc.com> 

> Dear B-Hebrew Members, 
> 
> I do not know the Hebrew language. Therefore, I utilize a Parallel 
> Hebrew-English Bible and an Expository Dictionary for a comprehension of 
> Bible 
> passages. The Interlinear Bible that I use is a translation of the 
> Masoretic 
> text by Jay Green, Sr., published in 1976. I am attempting to understand 
> Isaiah 
> 30:13-14. A literal translation in English is provided: 
> 
> "13 So this iniquity shall be to you as a broken section falling, like the 
> bulging out in a high wall, the breaking of which comes suddenly in an 
> instant. 
> 14 And its smashing is as the smashing of a potter's vessel; when broken in 
> pieces, he has no pity; for in its breaking there is not found a sherd to 
> carry 
> fire from the hearth, nor to skim water from a well." 
> 
> This interlinear translation also provides the original Masoretic text and 
> list 
> a word-for-word English translation above each Hebrew word. I am writing it 
> left-to-right, not as it is found in Hebrew written right-to-left. It 
> reads: 
> 
> "13 therefore / shall be / to you / iniquity / this / as a breach / falling 
> / 
> bulging out / in a wall / made high, / which / suddenly, / in an instant, / 
> comes / its smashing. / 
> 14 And its smashing / (is) as smashing / the / vessel of / a potter's / 
> (when) 
> broken, / not / he has pity / and not / 
> there is found / in its breaking / a shard / to take up / fire / from the 
> hearth, / or to skim / water / from a pool." 
> 
> Since the original text does not have a period, punctuation mark or space 
> that 
> separates verse 13 from verse 14, is this something that has been supplied 
> by 
> "modern" translators? In other words, could the break and separation of 
> these 
> verses be at a different location? Could it be translated to read as 
> follows: 
> 
> "13 therefore / shall be / to you / iniquity / this / as a breach / falling 
> / 
> bulging out / in a wall / made high, / which / suddenly, / in an instant, / 
> comes. 
> 14 Its smashing / and its smashing / (is) as smashing / the / vessel of / a 
> potter's / (when) broken, / not / he has pity / and not / 
> there is found / in its breaking / a shard / to take up / fire / from the 
> hearth, / or to skim / water / from a pool." 
> 
> This is what I am attempting to understand. How is the conjunction of verse 
> 13 
> and verse 14 determined? 
> 
> Kerry VonDross 
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To All:


I have chosen not to engage the scholars of this website, but have =
chosen to follow the arguments, discussions and helpful sources. =
However, at this time, I would like to pose a question that concerns the =
history of the Tetragrammaton. I have studied some things through and =
wish to list some persons and publications without providing the =
findings, to see what will come about naturally. I am tracking the =
pronunciation "Jehovah." In all of this, what was started by Drusius and =
spread by Capella as a historical fact and is still very much apart of =
the scholarly community today?


Peter Galatin [Petrus Galatinus; Pietro Colonna Galatino]

Paulus Fagius [Paul Buechelin] (1504-1549)

Johann Reuchlin [Capito]

Drusius (Van Der Driesche; Johann Clemens] (155-1616)

Ludovicus Capellus (Louis Cappel] (1585-1658)

Cappel' Critica Sacra (1634)

Botcher 1866

The Oxford Gesenius (1892-100)

Buhl (1899)

James Hastings (1899)

Joseph B. Rotherham (1902) The Emphasized Bible

Brown-Driver-Briggs (1906)

The Jewish Encyclopedia (1907)


Edward Andrews