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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan
- From: Rochelle Altman <willaa AT netvision.net.il>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan
- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:59:49 +0200
Dear Karl,
Dear Rochelle:
I find your report about Hebrew music rather interesting.
But I have a question: some of us believe that during
Biblical times (from Moses in the 15th century BC if not
before Moses, to the Babylonian Exile) that Hebrew
syllables were pronounced CV, that there were no CVC
syllables until after Hebrew was no longer spoken as a
native (learned at one's mother's knee) language: how
does that influence how the music fits with the words?
The evidence in Psalms from the Monarchial period indicates that loss or reduction of final weak vowels occurred (or was in process) in Hebrew back then. .
I'm not trying to start anything; I wasn't even thinking about this aspect. I guess with the musical evidence in front of me I forgot about questions as to when Hebrew started to lose final weak vowels.
To test the idea, I read Psalm 96 pronouncing each
syllable as CV, including final syllables, and as you say,
it has a strong rhythmic component.
It has a very strong triple-time beat; but the 96th is very old and does tend to CV -- but there are close endings as well. The pre-monarchial psalms do tend towards more open endings.
(Willi Apel, in his Gregorian Chant comments that one gradual surprisingly has the 29th as the antiphone for the 96th. Well, the 29th has the same Psalm tone and Psalm formula as the 96th, so...)
But the earliest examples of the music notation is found,
as you mention, in the DSS, so could it have changed to
reflect the changing pronunciation of the Hebrew
language?
Not without leaving evidence of gaps left by missing syllables.in the musical structure of older songs.
Yours, Karl W. Randolph.
All the best, Rochelle Altman
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan,
Karl Randolph, 01/13/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan,
Rochelle Altman, 01/13/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Rochelle Altman, 01/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Peter Kirk, 01/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Rochelle Altman, 01/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Peter Kirk, 01/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Rochelle Altman, 01/15/2006
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- Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan], Rochelle Altman, 01/25/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan], Peter Kirk, 01/25/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan], Herman Meester, 01/26/2006
- Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan], Rochelle Altman, 01/26/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Rochelle Altman, 01/15/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Peter Kirk, 01/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Rochelle Altman, 01/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Peter Kirk, 01/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew [was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan],
Rochelle Altman, 01/14/2006
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Re: [b-hebrew] music in Hebrew was Re: Long: *Some* Bib for Bryan,
Rochelle Altman, 01/13/2006
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