Biblical Hebrew Forum

[David P Donnelly <davedonnelly1 AT juno.com>]

The title of this message may seem facetious,
(i.e.  Did anyone write "Iaoue" before 1863 A.D.? )
but this is a serious question.

I own an original Volume I of Smith's 1863 "A Dictionary of the Bible"
which says: ", and in a catena to the Pentateuch in a MS. at Turin
'Iaoue" [in Greek letters].

In the preceding sentence, this same book says "Iaou" [in Greek letters]
(Clem. Alex. Stom. v. p. 666)" 

This is the oldest source that I am aware of that has "Iaoue" written in
Greek letters.


http://www.jesuswalk.com/names-god/yahweh_jehovah.htm

The above article points to Anson F. Rainey, "How was the Tetragrammaton
Pronounced?," Biblical Archaeological Review (July/August 1985), pp.
78-79. J. Barton Payne, hawa, TWOT #484a as evidence that Clement wrote
"Iaoue". 

However what edition of the writings of Clement of Alexandria was Anson
F. Rainey quoting from, when he wrote that Clement of Alexandria wrote
"Iaoue"?

What is the oldest extant edition of the writings of Clement of
Alexandria that states that Clement wrote "Iaoue" in Stromata Book V.
Chapter 6:34?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08329a.htm

The above article found in the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1910 says that
Clement wrote "Jaou" in "Clement of Alexandria ("Strom.", V, 6, in P.G.,
IX, col. 60),"

The Catholic Encyclopedia is quoting Migne, work, written in the 1880's, 
who probably copied a manuscript from J. Potter's 1715 collection.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04045a.htm
The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1908 states:

>>>
The works of Clement of Alexandria were first edited by P. Victorius
(Florence,1550). The most complete edition is that of J. Potter,
"Clementis Alexandrini opera quae extant omnia" (Oxford, 1715; Venice,
1757), reproduced in Migne, P.G. VIII, IX. 
>>>

It is a least possible that J. Potter's 1715 manuscript was derived from 
the 11th century Greek Codex Laurentianus V 3 which quotes Clement as
writing "Iaou" and not "Iaoue".

As mentioned previously, Smith's 1863 "A Dictionary of the Bible" quotes
Clement of Alexandria as using "Iaou" not "Iaoue" in his Stomata.
  
Gerard Gertoux quotes Gilbert Generard (1537-1597) as writing in 1568 
that Clement wrote "Iaou" not "Iaoue".

Does  anyone who posts on B-hebrew have any solid evidence that Clement
of Alexandria actually wrote "Iaoue" and not "Iaou" in his Greek Stromata
Book V. Chapter 6 ? 

Dave Donnelly

 
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@Rolf,

Sorry I am coming in on the tail end of this one, so excuse me if I am off.  
But I always wondered why people try to figure out YHWH name based off the 
other Hebrew names since not all the Hebrew names, that contain the divine in 
them have the W as the second syllable.  Some have it as the first syllable, 
like say Joah.  

Also there are other names like Jehu where the W is not a holem/vav but 
rather a shureq.  Personally, I think the Hebrew names are too inconsistant 
to try to figure it out.

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Kelton Graham 
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Dear Kelton,

Arguments in favor of a particular pronunciation of a word can be tricky, 
because pronunciation change through time, and even at the same time there 
may be different ways of pronouncing the same word. For example, the 
Norwegian word for snow is pronounced as "sne," "snö," and "sny" in 
different parts of the country. However, the pronunciation of YHWH may have 
been preserved when the pronunciation of other words changed, because of its 
importance.

In any case, what we can learn regarding syllable number and pronunciation 
must come from Hebrew sources, and not from Greek and Latin or other 
languages. Not even Aramaic, that is so close to Hebrew, is a good 
candidate, because of the phonological differences between the two 
languages. So we must go to the text of the Tanach and see what we find - 
and we find names.

In the ANE a name often was a whole sentence, and therefore the study of 
names can tell us something regarding the verbal system of the language and 
about the gods. Hebrew names often were clauses as well, so to study Hebrew 
names in order to learn something about divine names is clearly legitimate. 
(See J.D.Fowler (1988)."Theophoric Personal Names in Ancient Hebrew A 
Comparative Study") According to Fowler there are 132 different names with 
prefixed forms of YHWH and 507 with suffixed forms.

The prefix JO evidently is an abbreviation of JE:HO and the suffix YFH is an 
abbreviation of YAHU. The important point is that a plene O occurs in the 
second syllable when the first part of the divine name is not abbreviated. 
That the vowel O occurs in the first syllable of an abbreviated form does 
not lead us is another direction, because pronunciation should be construed 
on the basis of the full form. The evidence of theophoric names is not 
conclusive, but it is the best we have. And it suggests that the divine name 
had at least three syllables and that the vowel of the second syllable was 
O.


Best regards,

Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo


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> @Rolf,
>
> Sorry I am coming in on the tail end of this one, so excuse me if I am 
> off.  But I always wondered why people try to figure out YHWH name based 
> off the other Hebrew names since not all the Hebrew names, that contain 
> the divine in them have the W as the second syllable.  Some have it as the 
> first syllable, like say Joah.
>
> Also there are other names like Jehu where the W is not a holem/vav but 
> rather a shureq.  Personally, I think the Hebrew names are too 
> inconsistant to try to figure it out.
>
> --
> Kelton Graham
> KGRAHAM0938 AT comcast.net