Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

I live in Herts and I'm a student of computer science. My fields are IT 
Security and 
artificial intelligence (machine translation). I make a few websites in my 
spare time. 
I suppose I was referring more to Thames valley English than southern English 
in general.
I'm learning the Essex dialect 'awight mate?' and I was conscious that the 
Southern 
statement might be a bit too sweeping but I didn't want to make it too 
complicated to 
understand for the Americans.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Newman [mailto:rob AT designceramics.co.uk]
Sent: Wed 9/21/2005 12:17 AM
To: Read, James C
Subject: southern thoroughbreds  
 
Hello James,
A personal mail in reaction to your post on b-hebrew.
As a southerner i was amused to see that I use the expressions you mention. 
Still not all southerners have the queens English, i'm from Essex and speak 
what's been dubbed estury english (those around the mouth of the Thames), we 
have 'v' instead of 'th' miss vowels and 't's etc. some brothers in my
Congregation  speak quite  proper and they often pick me up on my 
pronunciation, actually from the point of view of public speaking (according 
to a CO originally from Essex) a pure Essex voice is bad enough to annoy 
people all over the country and detract from the talk.

I really enjoy your posts james and if you were one time a little critical of 
anothers position you apologized humbly and that's to be respected, of course 
'in the abundance of words there doesn't fail to be transgression'. Modesty 
shines out o b-hebrew cos some members are so arrogant. Its nice to know 
there's as yet no significant objection to our chronological position as you 
presented it. Your knowledge of Hebrew  is good, do you work in the accademic 
world?
Greetings
Yb
Robert Newman



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> Not "less than a thousand", but, to quote Rolf on 27th July this year:
>
>>the 1,027 examples of YIQTOL with past reference
> Also on 9th June 2004 he mentioned:
>> more than 2,000 YIQTOLs with present reference
>

I don't have Tanakhic statistics at hand (some was at the end of
Even-Shoshan), but 3,000 verbs do not sound like a major number. That is
about 100 irregular verbs per book, a few per chapter. That is a tiny
percentage, indeed. Besides, I expect Rolf's figures to be vastly inflated
to reflect his exegetical needs.

> On 20th August 2000 Rolf wrote, relating I think to Genesis only:
>>37 % of
>>the YIQTOLs and 64  % of the WEQATALs have future reference

This difference between yiqtols and weqatals, if exists, is consistent with
the deictic shift hypothesis: in emphatic speech (where deictic shifts
mostly occur) narrators naturally employ shorter form of the future tense,
yiqtol.

Vadim Cherny