Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>]

Yitzhak:

Are the Phoenician month names given below in order? If so,
they are not the same as the Hebrew month names.

In Tanakh I found the Hebrew names of four months: the first
one XD$ H)BYB (Deuteronomy 16:1), second ZW (1 Kings 6:1, 37),
seventh )TNYM (1 Kings 8:2), eighth BWL (1 Kings 6:38). Two 
ofthem are also found in the list below of Phoenician month
names, but in a different order than in Hebrew. Is there
anywhere where there was a list of the Hebrew months in order?
Is there anywhere where all the Hebrew month names are given?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yitzhak Sapir" <yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com>

>
> Karl, I felt that regarding much of what you wrote, I disagreed on every
> other sentence,

I didn't expect you to agree, which is why at times we need
to agree to disagree, without attacking or cutting each
other down.

> ...  Instead, I'd just like to point out that you
> interpret the word "evidence" one way (the Bible is evidence) while I
> interpret evidence as another way ...

We both agree on the word "evidence", where we disagree is
on whether or not the Bible is trustworthy evidence. You say
no, I say yes. However, my reasons are primarilly historical,
not theological.

> Similarly, there are disagreements on the meaning of the word "historical."
> That is, there are nuances of the meaning of these words on which we
> apparently take different sides.
>
> Karl Randolph wrote:
> >
> > Exodus also mentions the month Abib.
>
> Abib is probably not a Phoenician month name.  Phoenician month
> names are known: "From the last centuries [B.C.E.] most of the months
> of the Phoenician calendar are attested in Semitic inscriptions from Sidon,
> Kition, Idalion, Tamossos, Larnax Lapethos, Pyrgi, and Carthage: yrx
> bl, yrx mp), yrx mrp), yrh zbx$m$, yrh )tnm, yrx p(lt, yrx krr, yrx zhx,
> and yrx xyr."  [The Cultic Calendars of the ANE, Mark Cohen, p. 384]
> As you can see, both Bul and Etanim are attested here.  In various
> Judaean inscriptions such as the Arad ostraca, we find numeric
> references to months.  The argument went something of the form:
> Since month names are numeric in pre-exilic Judaean inscriptions,
> and since the mentioned months are Phoenician, the mention of
> Phoenician month names in context with Phoenician building activity
> in the Temple suggests that some historical source is indeed behind
> the Temple building description.  Abib is probably not a Phoenician
> month name, but Ziv probably is, while both are not attested.  However,
> the main point is not that the Bible mentions other month names but
> that these month names are matched up against specific epigraphic
> evidence.  Note, however, that I don't specifically claim any knowledge
> of what this source contained.  I suggested it could be a receipt from
> Phoenicia to illustrate just how little it could be.
>
...
> so I'm sorry.

Apology accepted.
>
> Yitzhak Sapir

Karl W. Randolph.


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