Biblical Hebrew Forum

[George F Somsel <gfsomsel AT juno.com>]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:07:18 -0500 "Medina, Vincent" <VMedina AT cbcag.edu>
writes:
> My response to you is the same as it was to Stoney. You may not share 
> my
> faith commitments and that is fine, but we do need to be sure we 
> are
> talking about the same thing when we use the word "inspiration."
> 
> As for your assertion that my view of inspiration "has absolutely 
> no
> value," that is an inflammatory statement, to say the least. Many
> Christians throughout the centuries have found a good deal of value 
> in
> just such a belief. On the other hand, a view of inspiration that
> disregards the historical is in some ways like the Cheshire 
> cat--all
> smile and no cat!:)
> 
> G. Vincent Medina
> Associate Professor
> Central Bible College
> Phone: 417 887-6559
> Email: vmedina AT cbcag.edu
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George F Somsel [mailto:gfsomsel AT juno.com] 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:07 PM
> To: Medina, Vincent
> Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] RE-Dating Daniel
> 
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:28:32 -0500 "Medina, Vincent" 
> <VMedina AT cbcag.edu>
> writes:
> > Stoney:
> > 
> > The type of inspiration spoken of you are speaking of is not what
> > theologians a generally speaking of when they discuss 
> > "inspiration."
> > There is a difference between the human inspiration of a poet or 
> > bard,
> > and divine inspiration as this is traditionally understood by 
> > believers
> > when they speak of scripture. While I marvel at the achievements 
> of 
> > a
> > Shakespeare or Elliot, I do not put their works in the same 
> category 
> > as
> > Scripture, which, I believe, has its origin in God. While the 
> works 
> > of
> > poets certainly owe their inspiration to God's gift, the 
> inspiration 
> > of
> > Scripture not only different in degree, but also in kind. I 
> realize 
> > that
> > you may not share my rather conservative/orthodox faith 
> commitments, 
> > and
> > that's fine. But I wanted to be sure we were talking about the 
> same
> > thing.
> > 
> > As far as the question of pious fraud being "resolved centuries 
> > ago,"
> > perhaps you could enlighten me. I know that many assert that the
> > ancients were not concerned with such things, but I am not at all
> > certain that simply asserting such a thing makes it so, or 
> > "resolves" it
> > to everyone's satisfaction.
> > 
> > chesed v shalom,
> > 
> > G. Vincent Medina
> > Associate Professor
> > Central Bible College
> > Phone: 417 887-6559
> > Email: vmedina AT cbcag.edu
> ____________
> 
> You are constructing a theory of inspiration which is of absolutely 
> no
> value.  You construct your theory then complain that anyone who
> disagrees
> with you doesn't believe in inspiration.  The problem is that you
> construct a false definition.  What does it matter if a writing is 
> or is
> not historically accurate?  History is what happens once.  The 
> divine
> word is what is ever true.  It is of no significance that something
> happened once.  It's done, fini.  I am interested in what the word 
> of
> the
> Lord has to say to my situation.  
> 
> george
> gfsomsel
 ___________

And you think that accusing someone who doesn't accept your personal view
of scripture "is clearly operating out of a naturalistic world-view" is
not inflamatory?  I was once a Bible-thumping fundamentalist myself until
I realized that such a view of inspiration is untenable so I am well
aware of your code words.  You might as well accuse me of being a godless
atheist.  That I don't accept your view of inspiration in no way makes me
a "naturalist" and I have no particular appreciation for your doing so. 
Your view makes one deny facts and jump through all kinds of hoops in
order to maintain your position.  Because the ruins of cities do not
support your position you are forced to continually maintain that we
cannot have found the cities referenced in the Bible and many similar
situations.  I thought we were supposed to be discussing the Hebrew
language as it is represented in the TANAK, but it seems that this has
become a forum for systematic theology -- and only fundamentalists need
respond.  

george
gfsomsel
___________
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Peter:

I just noticed something. While checking up some other settings on my brows=
er, I noticed that I had set the language encoding to =93Hebrew (windows)=
=94. When I set the language encoding to UTF-8, Hebrew written in Windows-1=
255 encoding is displayed=20

????

instead of=20

&#1488;&#1489;&#1490;&#1491;

Now does the second line still show &amp;#1488;&amp;#1489;&amp;#1490;&amp;#=
1491; or does it show Hebrew letters?

Hebrew encoded as character entities Camino rendered as Hebrew letters, bot=
h when encoded as Hebrew (windows) and as UTF-8.

An example of character entities follows:

&#1488;&#1489;&#1490;&#1491;

How does that render in your browser or mail program?

What I noticed is that when you encoded Hebrew as character entities, somew=
here between your screen and the B-Hebrew archives, the coding was changed =
from character entities to string encoding. I don=92t know where the change=
 came from, but it is clearly recognizable when looking at the page source.=
 What you wrote as Windows-1255 encoding is stored on the B-Hebrew archives=
 as character entities. What are your settings?

Karl W. Randolph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
>=20
...
>=20
> The only sure way to prevent this is to use a proper=20
> standards-compliant mail program. But the problem might be partly=20
> solved if you sent your messages to this list in Windows-1255=20
> encoding, or probably better still UTF-8.
>=20
> -- Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/

--=20
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