Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote:
On 06/01/2005 15:48, Uri Hurwitz wrote:


> UH: this is a convenient illustration that more than one correct 
> translation is possible from an origional. Contrary to Leman, the first 
> possibility looks perfectly alright; it is intelligible ...
>

To you, who are used to this Hebrew idiom. Maybe to well-educated 
English speakers. But this kind of usage can be very confusing to less 
educated people.

  UH: I thought  that  the use in English of 'heart" for "self" was quite 
common; cf. heart to heart talk, etc. ect.

  But this was really besides my point that various good translations of the 
same original text are possible. Harold suggested another good one.


Uri



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On 06/01/2005 17:56, Uri Hurwitz wrote:

>
>
> */Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>/* wrote:
>
>     On 06/01/2005 15:48, Uri Hurwitz wrote:
>
>
>     > UH: this is a convenient illustration that more than one correct
>     translation is possible from an origional. Contrary to Leman, the
>     first possibility looks perfectly alright; it is intelligible ...
>     >
>
>     To you, who are used to this Hebrew idiom. Maybe to well-educated
>     English speakers. But this kind of usage can be very confusing to
>     less
>     educated people.
>
>       UH: I thought  that  the use in English of 'heart" for "self"
>     was quite common; cf. heart to heart talk, etc. ect.
>

This is a sense of the English word, but not a common one and with 
emotional overtones i.e. a heart to heart talk would be about one's 
emotions and not a logical debate. I agree that there is some overlap 
between Hebrew LEB and English "heart", but not that it is 
self-evidently more than that between Hebrew LEB and English "self". The 
relevant senses of "heart" from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the 
English Language: Fourth Edition.  2000:

> *3**a.* The vital center and source of one's being, emotions, and 
> sensibilities. *b.* The repository of one's deepest and sincerest 
> feelings and beliefs: /an appeal from the heart; a subject dear to her 
> heart./ *c.* The seat of the intellect or imagination: /the worst 
> atrocities the human heart could devise./ *4**a.* Emotional 
> constitution, basic disposition, or character: /a man after my own 
> heart./ *b.* One's prevailing mood or current inclination: /We were 
> light of heart./ *5**a.* Capacity for sympathy or generosity; 
> compassion: /a leader who seems to have no heart./


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