Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>]

On 31/12/2004 04:23, Schmuel wrote:

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> Schmuel
> Thanks, I didn't know we had Wycliffe online -- got it bookmarked. 
> I thought he had only done a portion of Tanach, so I may have to check into that some.
>
>  
Wycliffe and his followers did a whole Bible, in fact two versions I 
think. Wycliffe himself was not the main translator but it was issued on 
his authority.

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> Schmuel
> Peter, I don't think you are remotely in sound statistics land :-)
>
> We have only four possible ways of handling the question that you isolated.
> Here are some of the most significant, and less related, English translations 
> I could find -
>   
> 6 historical biggies, 2 literal, and 3 other more recent
>
> 1) Wonderful, Counsellor  --  Mighty, God -    Wycliffe 
> 2) Wonderful Counsellor   --  Mighty, God -    
>
> 3) Wonderful, Cousellor   --  Mighty God   -   ASV, KJB, Geneva, Douay, Youngs, WEB 
> 4) Wonderful Counsellor  --  Mighty God  -    NAS, Rotherdam, NIV, Tyndale, Matthew
>
> Well, its pretty clear that the separation of Mighty and God is the singular 
> oddball anomaly,
> (understandably), coming from Wycliffe. 
>
> Omitting such, we than have only two real possibilities, both frequently used.  
> So seeing KJB and Douay match, (with the Geneva), should not be at all surprising,
> is reasonably likely, and not even remotely "highly improbable" :-)
>  

Well, the improbability is resolved from the data which you give, that 
the Geneva Bible before them inserted this first, and could be copied by 
both KJV and Douay-Rheims. But then the Geneva Bible which you quote is 
surely not the original unedited, as its spellings are certainly not 
16th century ones, so I would want to check an original printing first, 
as you have for KJV.

> Geneva - 
> http://www.genevabible.org/files/Geneva_Bible/Old_Testament/Isaiah.pdf
> Tyndale - http://alleluya.com/ot/isaiah_9.html
>  

But Tyndale never got as far as Isaiah, surely? It is clear from the 
bottom of http://alleluya.com/ot/index.html that this "Tyndale" text is 
in fact taken from Matthew's Bible, the same text which I quoted.


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