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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: MarianneLuban AT aol.com
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim
- Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:30:36 +0000
On 08/11/2004 04:57, MarianneLuban AT aol.com wrote:
...Well, not very much time since the 19th century, and given the Samaritan aversion to change. So you could try asking the modern Samaritan community how they would understand this phrase. Fortunately they are not so averse to change as to spurn the Internet, so see http://www.the-samaritans.com/. Their discussion forum does not seem to be working at present, but you can e-mail their webmaster. You might also find a link there to the MS of the ketubah you are interested in, and so be able to check Wilson's reading.
The ketubah is written in Hebrew. It is dated to the 19th Century of our own era and may retain an Aramaic term here and there but the Samaritans ceased to use Aramaic regularly long ago, of course. It was translated by J. Wilson and I found it in John Bowman's "Samaritan Documents". Bowman takes issue with some of Wilson's translations and even suggests that Wilson may have misread some of the letters involved and finds the phrase "Bahur ha-karnaim" unlikely and would emend it to "Bahur-ha-kohanim". Bowman makes the point that Samaritan ketubot have not apparently changed since the format that was seen in the Elephantine documents. That is a hallmark of the Samaritans--an aversion to change. I would just have accepted Bowman's theory about what Wilson did with "karnaim" except for there is the problem of what the karnaim of Moses was all about--and this is also far from clear. Since, at the time of the writing of this ketubah, the Samaritan community resided at Nablus, I doubt another toponym would be involved. Wilson translated the phrase as "an eminent youth". The context is (with Bowman's amendment to "the choicest of the priests") "the bridegroom, the good, honorable, scholarly, and devout, and master of calculation, all of whose acts are worthy; and he is the choicest of the priests and the most handsome of bridegrooms, who does all good things..."
Bowman indicates that he has not translated this ketubah, himself, but has taken Wilson's rendering--so Bowman can only guess at what Wilson did or saw. I have the feeling that this has nothing to do with actual "horns" or "priests" but has a meaning obscured by time.
I note the following at http://www.the-samaritans.com/Store.htm#torah, concerning differences between the Samaritan and Masoretic Pentateuchs:
The most important case is the word ‘chosen’ that appears, where the Jews have ‘will chose,’ concerning the sacred place.
I suppose that the reference is to Deuteronomy 12:5 etc where the Samaritan has BXR YHWH for the MT YIBXAR YHWH "YHWH will choose". The Samaritan vocalisation might be BAXAR YHWH "YHWH has chosen" or BAXUR YHWH "(is) chosen by YHWH". This might suggest that the word BAXUR has special theological significance to the Samaritans.
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Peter Kirk
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[b-hebrew] Karnaim,
MarianneLuban, 11/07/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 11/07/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim, Peter Kirk, 11/07/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
Shoshanna Walker, 11/07/2004
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim, Peter Kirk, 11/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 11/07/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
MarianneLuban, 11/07/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim, Peter Kirk, 11/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
Peter Kirk, 11/10/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim, Yigal Levin, 11/10/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
Karl Randolph, 11/10/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim, Peter Kirk, 11/10/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
Peter Kirk, 11/11/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
Uri Hurwitz, 11/11/2004
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Yigal Levin, 11/11/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
Yigal Levin, 11/11/2004
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Yigal Levin, 11/11/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Karnaim,
Yigal Levin, 11/11/2004
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