Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Peter Kirk" <peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com>]

Concerning question #2: The Rahlfs edition of LXX actually prints as the
text (2nd line of 39:7):

WTIA DE KATHRTISW MOI (you prepared ears for me)

with a marginal note:

WTIA Ga] SWMA BSA: cf. Hebr 10:5

i.e. the reading SWMA (body) is in Vaticanus, Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus,
the three great codices, but the reading of Ga is WTIA (ears). Unfortunately
I can't find the meaning of "Ga" - it may imply a conjectural emendation.

I note that although Rahlfs' LXX inlcudes conjectural emendations, the
standard Greek NTs do not. Since Floyd Jones who you refer us to makes a
tendentious and untrue allegation (at
http://www.floydjones.org/ebooks2.html) that "The editors of the dominant
eclectic Greek text of today have... in dozens of places they have printed a
text not found in any known Greek copy!", I am not inclined to read this
author further - although his comments on LXX on that page do look
interesting.

Peter Kirk
peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Schmuel
> Sent: 01 June 2003 20:26
> To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [b-hebrew] Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not
> desire
> 
> Shalom b-hebrew
> 
> My next question is a combination of hebrew, greek, aramaic, patristics
> and textual criticism :-)
> Hopefully it is ok here :-)
> 
> Very well known is the distinction between the Masoretic text on Psalms
> 40:6 and the
> socalled LXX ...letting the KJB represent the Masoretic we have..
> 
> Psalm 40:6  (KJB)
> Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou
> opened....
> 
> Psalm 39 (40):6  LXX:
> Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared
> me....
> 
> And this comes up in Messianic prophecy issues because of the reference in
> Hebrews
> 
> Hebrews 10:5  (KJB)
> Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering
> thou wouldest not, but a
> body hast thou prepared me:
> =============================================
> QUESTION #1
> Llamsa's Aramaic is
> Sacrifices and offerings thou didst not desire; but as for me, I now have
> understanding....
> 
> Where did Llamsa get this from, his own translation quirks, or a true
> difference in the text ?
> Different than both the MT and the socalled LXX
> =============================================
> QUESTION #2
> Exactly what is the socalled LXX support -- simply Vaticanus ?
> 
> And there is some indication that this was referenced in Patristics,
>    Iraneaus - Against Heresies,
> but I haven't found it yet. Anybody know "offhand" :-)
> 
> And somebody else was mentioned, one of the "A" ECW
> (Athanasius ?) but likely that was later, so less relevant.
> 
> Any help on early quotations appreciated.
> 
> =========================================================
> SIDENOTE
> And a pretty reasonable case can be made that the Hebrews passage is
> simply an interpretation
> of the Hebrew, while the Greek LXX passage was a smoothing translation by
> Christian scribes,
> rather than actually representing a Greek Psalms from B.C.
> 
> The Septuagint: A Critical Analysis by Floyd Nolan Jones p.45
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/1157/floyd-jones.htm
> http://www.floydjones.org/ebooks2.html
> 
> Commentators like John Gill and John Darby exegete the passage similarly.
> ================================================================
> 
> Shalom,
> Steven Avery
> Queens, NY
> 
> schmuel AT escape.com
> www.messiahresearch.com/
> 
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