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  • From: "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>
  • To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>
  • Subject: RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
  • Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:47:29 -0500


Dahood's reading for Ps. 2:12 was accepted by
Holliday in VT, somewhere. There may be others.
Liz Fried

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Washburn [mailto:dwashbur AT nyx.net]
> Sent: Fri, March 22, 2002 10:36 AM
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
>
>
> It should be pointed out that Dahood was severely criticized for his
> dependence on Ugaritic in his Psalms commentary, and most of his
> renderings have not been generally accepted. This says nothing
> about the merits of this particular reading, of course, but it's
> something that should be kept in mind when consulting him.
>
> > Dahood gives Prov. 14:1 Hakmot na$im, the wisest of men,
> > and UT 2 Aqht: 6:45 (mq n$m, the strongest/wisest of men
> > as examples.
> > Liz Fried
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: soren AT enteract.com [mailto:soren AT enteract.com]
> > > Sent: Fri, March 22, 2002 11:21 AM
> > > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > > Cc: Biblical Hebrew
> > > Subject: Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
> > >
> > >
> > > As Milton Himmelfarb pointed out at the time (in his review
> of Dahood in
> > > Commentary--February 1968) neshe qever would be "women of the
> > > grave." TO have
> > > a parallel with ishe mavet or bene mavet, one would need
> anshe mavet.
> > > Himmelfarb notes Dahood's invocation of Ugaritic but points out
> > > that he gives
> > > but one Ugaritic example in which neshe is anything else but
> > > women. Dahood, in
> > > his subsequent reply to Himmelfarb talks about this example but
> > > says nothing on
> > > the neshe/anshe question.
> > >
> > > Steve Oren
> > > Chicago IL
> > >
> > > Quoting Polycarp66 AT aol.com:
> > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/21/2002 11:55:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > lizfried AT umich.edu writes:
> > > >
> > > > Mitchell Dahood, a Catholic priest,
> > > > translates it "Serve YHWH with reverence and
> > > > live in trembling, O mortal men!"
> > > > He reads O mortal men with no consonental
> > > > changes: ne$e qaber, men of the grave,
> > > > or men appointed for the grave.
> > > > He compares i$ mawet (I kings 2:26)
> > > > bene mawet (1 Sam 26:16).
> > > > _______________
> > > >
> > > > Now that makes sense. The RSV and NRSV translate "kiss his
> > > feet", but that
> > > >
> > > > requires emending the text from BR to RGLYW. Maintaining the
> > > consonantal
> > > > text is always preferable. In the oldest manuscripts the
> > > letters were not
> > > > always separated (in fact, as I recall, they usually weren't).
> > > Liz, could
> > > > you cite some more of Dahood's translation for context? I'm
> > > afraid I left
> > > > most of my books in storage.
> > > >
> > > > GfSomsel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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