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- From: "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried AT umich.edu>
- To: <b-hebrew AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu>
- Subject: RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:37:26 -0500
Gladly:
Let me recite
the decree of YHWH; he said to me
"You are my
son, this day have I begotten you.
Ask wealth of
me and I will give it;
the nations will
be your patrimony,
and your possessions the
ends of the earth.
You will
break them with a rod of iron,
Shatter them like a potter's jar."
And now, O
kings, be prudent,
Take
warning, you rulers of the earth.
Serve YHWH
with reverence,
and live in
trembling, O mortal men!
Lest he grow
angry and your assembly perish
for his ire
flares up quickly.
How blest are
all who trust in him.
You are
correct, GfSomsel, that ancient Hebrew did not
have word
divisions. My first Hebrew teacher, Prof.
Krahmolkov, told us that if we were in doubt about a line,
Krahmolkov, told us that if we were in doubt about a line,
always to
remove all the nikudot, the matres lexiones,
and the
word divisions and then translate.
I like
Dahood's translation because it makes sense that
since the
king is speaking here, he would be addressing
the foreign
kings, and reminding them they don't live forever,
rather than
speaking of himself in the third person. If the latter,
there would
have been an aleph suffixed, as has been noted.
Best,
Liz
-----Original Message-----
From: Polycarp66 AT aol.com [mailto:Polycarp66 AT aol.com]
Sent: Fri, March 22, 2002 12:45 AM
To: lizfried AT umich.edu; b-hebrew AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu
Subject: Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
From: Polycarp66 AT aol.com [mailto:Polycarp66 AT aol.com]
Sent: Fri, March 22, 2002 12:45 AM
To: lizfried AT umich.edu; b-hebrew AT franklin.metalab.unc.edu
Subject: Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar
In a message dated 3/21/2002 11:55:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, lizfried AT umich.edu writes:
Mitchell Dahood, a Catholic priest,
translates it "Serve YHWH with reverence and
live in trembling, O mortal men!"
He reads O mortal men with no consonental
changes: ne$e qaber, men of the grave,
or men appointed for the grave.
He compares i$ mawet (I kings 2:26)
bene mawet (1 Sam 26:16).
_______________
Now that makes sense. The RSV and NRSV translate "kiss his feet", but that requires emending the text from BR to RGLYW. Maintaining the consonantal text is always preferable. In the oldest manuscripts the letters were not always separated (in fact, as I recall, they usually weren't). Liz, could you cite some more of Dahood's translation for context? I'm afraid I left most of my books in storage.
GfSomsel
-
Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar,
Schmuel, 03/21/2002
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Lisbeth S. Fried, 03/21/2002
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Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar,
Polycarp66, 03/22/2002
- RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Lisbeth S. Fried, 03/22/2002
- RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Peter Kirk, 03/22/2002
- RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Trevor Peterson, 03/22/2002
- Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, soren, 03/22/2002
- RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Lisbeth S. Fried, 03/22/2002
- RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Dave Washburn, 03/22/2002
- RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Lisbeth S. Fried, 03/22/2002
- RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Dave Washburn, 03/22/2002
- Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Ben and Jo Crick, 03/22/2002
- RE: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, Peter Kirk, 03/23/2002
- Re: Psalm 2:12 and Proverbs 31 ben/bar, George Athas, 03/25/2002
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