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RE: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs
- From: "Trevor & Julie Peterson" <speederson AT erols.com>
- To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: RE: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs
- Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 04:48:53 -0400
It was
partly on this list that I got the answer to that question, so I'm sure others
can provide answers more articulate that mine. But as one who has learned
both systems and settled on the latter, let me see what I can say about
it.
First,
I wouldn't say it's quite a true dichotomy. There are grammar books that
use Modern Hebrew pronunciation. One example that I know is Rocine's new
introductory grammar. I believe Lambdin uses it as well, but I'm not sure
about that. It seems that the trend in scholarship is moving more in the
direction of using modern pronunciation, but I'm probably not qualified to say a
lot about that either.
But
who says we have to do things because they're popular, anyway, right?
Well, one related issue is that Modern Hebrew, as a living language, provides a
natural language community from which to learn. Some languages have
changed so much over the centuries that learning the modern form is not very
helpful, perhaps even counterproductive to learning the ancient. But the
Hebrew used today is not so different from Biblical Hebrew that the differences
should become more of an obstacle than the living language community is a
help. If all you want to learn to do is translate and parse, then it
probably doesn't make much difference. But if you want genuine fluency
that enables you to read both silently and aloud at a pace comparable to your
native language, you'll probably need to develop a certain degree of
conversational skill; and the Modern language community can be a great means of
doing that.
So
much for actually learning Modern Hebrew, but what about the pronunciation
system itself? I've found that the Modern system seems a good deal more
natural. Maybe it's just me, but that's the impression that I get.
Keep in mind, too, that the scholarly standard doesn't really distinguish sounds
much better than Modern Hebrew does. Modern Hebrew may confuse spirantized
kaph with het, for instance, but school Hebrew tends to do the same thing with
the two forms of kaph. And remember that we have numerous sounds in
English that are represented by multiple forms in writing. Almost every
language faces that problem at some stage. (I should note that, since the
original question raised only two possibilities, I'm omitting the reconstructed
Masoretic pronunciation system described, for instance, in Jouon. Such a
system does have its own merits for distinguishing letters from one another more
clearly and for being an attempt to represent what was once a living form of the
language. The disadvantage is that it is a dead system and therefore lacks
the living community of Modern Hebrew.)
In
short, then, I wouldn't say that it's impossible to use the scholarly system
quite well or to achieve a degree of fluency with it. But if you want to
use a system that has numerous avenues of reinforcement through a living
community and that represents a genuine form of pronunciation used by real
people in real life, I think Modern Hebrew is your best bet. If you go all
the way and learn Modern Hebrew in its own right, you'll have potential
opportunities to use it conversationally, and you'll have access to the
increasing body of scholarly literature that is being written in Modern
Hebrew.
Trevor
Peterson
CUA/Semitics
-----Original Message-----In a message dated 5/16/01 11:58:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
From: Bearpecs AT aol.com [mailto:Bearpecs AT aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:53 PM
To: Biblical Hebrew
Subject: Re: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs
dwashbur AT nyx.net writes:
pronunciation is absolutely crucial for Hebrew
I'm curious about people's thought regarding the pronunciation of Biblical
Hebrew according to the grammar books versus using Modern Israeli Hebrew.
Assuming the student knows the difference and can apply that to the
phonology, etc, does it make a difference how it's pronounced in class? I'm
not supporting either or the other, just asking.
Hayyim
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beginning grammars & computer assisted programs,
Jay Adkins, 05/15/2001
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs, David Stabnow, 05/16/2001
- RE: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs, Christopher Bennage, 05/16/2001
- Re: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs, Dave Washburn, 05/16/2001
- Re: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs, Bearpecs, 05/16/2001
- RE: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs, Trevor & Julie Peterson, 05/17/2001
- RE: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs, Peter Kirk, 05/17/2001
- Re: beginning grammars & computer assisted programs, Randall Buth, 05/17/2001
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