Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Fred P Miller <fmoeller AT ao.net>]

Dear Jonathan and listers

The" inaccuracies in the Judean and Persian chronology."  I assume these 
refer to the
succession of Median Kings through Darius I which are an interpretors 
historical
problem not a textual inaccuracy.  If you are interested in my explanation of 
the
chronology or dynastic and non-dynastic succession  from Cyaxares who begat 
Astyages,
the alleged grandfather of Cyrus whose throne Cyrus took in battle and onward 
 through
to Darius I (circa 520 BCE) you may read it at this address:
http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/70week.htm
Neither Cyaxares II, who probably did not even exist, nor the lesser light 
Gobrius are
referred to in Daniel as some mistakenly have supposed.

Fred P Miller

Jonathan D. Safren wrote:

> I haven't been following the argument, but isn't the argument for the late
> dating of Daniel based, inter alia, on the use of Aramaic, the use of Greek
> words (sumponia, psalterion, etc.), the inaccuracies in the Judaean and
> Persian chronology in the text?
> Sincerely,
> Jonathan D. Safren
>
> ----------
> > From: peter_kirk AT sil.org
> > To: Biblical Hebrew <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> > Subject: Re[2]: Hasmonean Bible
> > Date: éåí ùðé, éåðé 21, 1999 07:26
> >
> > Dear Ian,
> >
> > Thank you for your response. I have not yet had time to look at your
> > web pages, but if the argument for the dating of Daniel (I didn't
> > mention any particular books, by the way) is based (as have been most
> > of the arguments I have seen) on the impossibility of genuine
> > predictive prophecy, and silence in the lack of early citations, don't
> > expect me to be convinced by it.
> >
> > You asked: "While I don't exclude the possibility, could you tell me
> > some way of ever testing the genuineness of such "prophecy"?"
> >
> > Your question was posed and answered by the author of the book of
> > Deuteronomy (18:21-22), a passage which incidentally shows that
> > prophecy was expected to have a predictive element. If we find a
> > manuscript or inscription with a firm date containing a prophecy of an
> > event which is known to have taken place after that date, that is a
> > good test of the genuineness of that prophecy. We find a possible
> > example of this in the Qumran Isaiah scroll which apparently contains
> > (especially in chapter 53) prophecies of the life and death of Jesus
> > Christ.
> >
> > Meanwhile, if all we have to go on for the dating of Daniel, Ezra etc
> > is silence, e.g. the absence of citations in Josephus, we can say
> > nothing more than "we don't know" in support of the late dating of
> > those books. But I, unlike you, take into account the internal
> > evidence of the books, as a priori evidence that the events described
> > in them actually took place unless demonstrated otherwise. I think
> > this would be the normal historian's approach to a historical
> > document; I suspect that if it were not our history books would be
> > very thin. But then this is going back over old arguments which I
> > don't want to restart.
> >
> > Peter Kirk
> >
> >
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