Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Mark Markham" <markhamm AT topsurf.com>]

Will,

 You saw this data? I must concur with James D. Price's statement at the
close of this doc.

"If one concludes that God is the author of ELS codes, is it unreasonable to
also conclude that He is able to avoid obviously false codes? "

Sincerely,
Mark Markham
Heidelberg, Germany

<q>2/16/98

Here are some statements that most regard as false that occur in the Torah.

(1) Jehovah is a liar--YHWH$QR--occurs 8 times in the Torah.


Here is the data:

I found YHWH$QR in Gen 9:23 beginning with the 35th letter. skip 7921.
I found YHWH$QR in Gen 39:8 beginning with the 47th letter. skip 3290.

I found YHWH$QR in Exod 15:26 beginning with the 38th letter. skip 3931.
I found YHWH$QR in Exod 26:37 beginning with the 36th letter. skip -224.
I found YHWH$QR in Exod 30:34 beginning with the 56th letter. skip -3651.

I found YHWH$QR in Lev 18:26 beginning with the 15th letter. skip 1957.

I found YHWH$QR in Num 27:21 beginning with the 47th letter. skip -3953.

I found YHWH$QR in Deut 16:7 beginning with the 52th letter. skip -23.

(2) Jehovah is dead--YHWHMT--occurs hundreds of times in the Torah.

Here is the data for skips 2 to 100:

I found YHWHMT in Gen 1:28 beginning with the 2th letter. skip -8.
I found YHWHMT in Gen 7:19 beginning with the 51th letter. skip -21.
I found YHWHMT in Gen 27:36 beginning with the 20th letter. skip 73.
I found YHWHMT in Gen 31:35 beginning with the 21th letter. skip -10.

I found YHWHMT in Exod 8:10 beginning with the 2th letter. skip -74.
I found YHWHMT in Exod 12:12 beginning with the 67th letter. skip 73.
I found YHWHMT in Exod 23:22 beginning with the 47th letter. skip 48.
I found YHWHMT in Exod 25:24 beginning with the 19th letter. skip -9.
I found YHWHMT in Exod 28:29 beginning with the 56th letter. skip -60.
I found YHWHMT in Exod 28:32 beginning with the 40th letter. skip 86.
I found YHWHMT in Exod 36:3 beginning with the 2th letter. skip 93.
I found YHWHMT in Exod 36:14 beginning with the 35th letter. skip -44.

I found YHWHMT in Lev 1:8 beginning with the 8th letter. skip 99.
I found YHWHMT in Lev 2:9 beginning with the 29th letter. skip -27.
I found YHWHMT in Lev 10:13 beginning with the 28th letter. skip -45.
I found YHWHMT in Lev 23:7 beginning with the 18th letter. skip -66.

I found YHWHMT in Num 25:14 beginning with the 43th letter. skip 19.

I found YHWHMT in Deut 5:29 beginning with the 3th letter. skip 73.
I found YHWHMT in Deut 18:6 beginning with the 4th letter. skip 93.
I found YHWHMT in Deut 27:9 beginning with the 2th letter. skip -44.
I found YHWHMT in Deut 30:14 beginning with the 20th letter. skip 25.
I found YHWHMT in Deut 32:21 beginning with the 19th letter. skip 94.
I found YHWHMT in Deut 32:30 beginning with the 20th letter. skip -61.

(3) There is no Jehovah--)YNYHWH--occurs dozens of times in the Torah.

Here is the data for skip 2 to 1000:

I found )YNYHWH in Gen 11:19 beginning with the 18th letter. skip -156.
I found )YNYHWH in Gen 14:14 beginning with the 6th letter. skip 781.
I found )YNYHWH in Gen 19:5 beginning with the 33th letter. skip 993.
I found )YNYHWH in Gen 22:5 beginning with the 6th letter. skip -850.
I found )YNYHWH in Gen 30:31 beginning with the 3th letter. skip -769.
I found )YNYHWH in Gen 36:2 beginning with the 7th letter. skip 927.
I found )YNYHWH in Gen 40:5 beginning with the 54th letter. skip -709.
I found )YNYHWH in Gen 45:1 beginning with the 72th letter. skip -669.

I found )YNYHWH in Exod 4:17 beginning with the 18th letter. skip -401.
I found )YNYHWH in Exod 21:4 beginning with the 59th letter. skip -881.
I found )YNYHWH in Exod 22:15 beginning with the 44th letter. skip 485.
I found )YNYHWH in Exod 31:16 beginning with the 14th letter. skip 681.
I found )YNYHWH in Exod 33:17 beginning with the 17th letter. skip -313.

I found )YNYHWH in Lev 4:24 beginning with the 30th letter. skip 670.
I found )YNYHWH in Lev 21:22 beginning with the 4th letter. skip 378.
I found )YNYHWH in Lev 23:42 beginning with the 28th letter. skip -864.
I found )YNYHWH in Lev 26:37 beginning with the 48th letter. skip 152.

I found )YNYHWH in Num 4:13 beginning with the 25th letter. skip 792.
I found )YNYHWH in Num 5:7 beginning with the 27th letter. skip 927.
I found )YNYHWH in Num 10:4 beginning with the 19th letter. skip 323.
I found )YNYHWH in Num 16:26 beginning with the 42th letter. skip -415.
I found )YNYHWH in Num 18:31 beginning with the 47th letter. skip 642.
I found )YNYHWH in Num 31:30 beginning with the 57th letter. skip -48.
I found )YNYHWH in Num 34:2 beginning with the 62th letter. skip 423.

I found )YNYHWH in Deut 32:2 beginning with the 19th letter. skip -369.
I found )YNYHWH in Deut 32:5 beginning with the 7th letter. skip -177.

(4) There is no God--)YN)LHYM--occurs 5 times in the Torah.

Here is the data:

I found )YN)LHYM in Gen 17:6 beginning with the 7th letter. skip 1589.
I found )YN)LHYM in Gen 18:32 beginning with the 19th letter. skip -1680.
I found )YN)LHYM in Gen 47:16 beginning with the 36th letter. skip -10225.

I found )YN)LHYM in Num 2:17 beginning with the 31th letter. skip 6504.
I found )YN)LHYM in Num 31:9 beginning with the 50th letter. skip -1660.

(5) There is no God--)YN)LWH--occurs dozens of times in the Torah.

Here is the data for skip 2 to 1000.

I found )YN)LWH in Gen 3:4 beginning with the 17th letter. skip 788.
I found )YN)LWH in Gen 6:18 beginning with the 27th letter. skip -894.
I found )YN)LWH in Gen 9:5 beginning with the 30th letter. skip 480.
I found )YN)LWH in Gen 14:3 beginning with the 22th letter. skip -912.
I found )YN)LWH in Gen 28:11 beginning with the 45th letter. skip 728.
I found )YN)LWH in Gen 35:9 beginning with the 27th letter. skip 555.
I found )YN)LWH in Gen 44:32 beginning with the 26th letter. skip -243.
I found )YN)LWH in Gen 48:16 beginning with the 34th letter. skip -418.

I found )YN)LWH in Exod 1:6 beginning with the 12th letter. skip 728.
I found )YN)LWH in Exod 34:30 beginning with the 43th letter. skip -736.

I found )YN)LWH in Lev 5:23 beginning with the 20th letter. skip 484.
I found )YN)LWH in Lev 14:23 beginning with the 36th letter. skip -332.

I found )YN)LWH in Num 15:6 beginning with the 4th letter. skip 71.
I found )YN)LWH in Num 17:24 beginning with the 25th letter. skip 680.

I found )YN)LWH in Deut 4:14 beginning with the 48th letter. skip -131,7).
I found )YN)LWH in Deut 11:10 beginning with the 37th letter. skip -869,7).
I found )YN)LWH in Deut 28:64 beginning with the 58th letter. skip -330,7).

(6) Here are other codes that will occur often in the Torah:

--God is dead--)LHYMMT
--there is no truth--)YN)MT
--there is no evil--)YNR(
--there is no good(ness)--)YN+WB
--there is no redemption--)YNG)LH
--there is no Messiah--)YNM$YX
etc.


If one concludes that God is the author of ELS codes, is it unreasonable to
also conclude that He is able to avoid obviously false codes?

James D. Price </q>

----- Original Message -----
From: Will Wagers <hyle AT airmail.net>
To: Biblical Hebrew <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Secret Codes(2)


> Thanks, Mark. There is quite a lot of information at the site.
>
> However, I notice right off the bat that the web site says:
>
> "A brief summary of the codes claims is that the Hebrew text of the Bible
> (especially of the Torah, the first five books) contain intentional
> coincidences of
> words or phrases that appear as letters with equal spacing."
>
> There is no such claim in the original papers. I agree that the
popularizers
> and interpreters do need debunking, but the original authors do not fall
into
> this category.
>
> Further, the site is clearly and admittedly partisan--not a good thing
when
> evaluating scientific papers. If the papers fail on their scientific
> merits, fine--
> that's the way Science works. But,  Science should neither be created nor
> destroyed by the mob, nor by its academic representatives. For example,
the
> site has a declaration signed by some 50 scientists against the paper.
Science
> doesn't work by popular vote. If the original authors made errors, they
must be
> found and corrected. Nothing else will satisfy me.
>
> Will Wagers hyle AT airmail.net "Reality is the best metaphor."
>
> >Dear Will,
> >
> >Using the exact same method the links that I sent earlier use English
texts
> >to show just how easy it is to use the code system to "prove" anything.
> >http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html
> >
> >Here is another fact. The same code method on the same texts that produce
> >"positive" statements about God also have been used to find "anti-God"
> >statements. See for yourself: http://www.prophezine.com/tcode/rebut4.html
> >
> >Also look at this page: http://www.prophezine.com/tcode/index.shtml
> >
> >As sensational as the codes seem to be true stats show you that they can
be
> >very misleading and biased.
> >
> >Think it over and look at the sites above and see if they don't shed
light
> >on your understanding.
>
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