Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Lee R. Martin" <lmartin AT vol.com>]

Dear Rolf,
I always read your posts with great eagerness and anticipation of learning 
some new
linguistic tidbits, but I am afraid I am shocked at this response.  Randall 
is right
on and your response is unbelievable. (no offense intended)   Nowhere did 
Randall say
that HaYaH is fientic.  I quote "stative events can repeat."  Note the 
following
sentence: "My son was at school every day last year, and every night he was 
in bed."
Being at school and being in bed are states, but they occur in iterative 
fashion.
HaYaH and other statives are used exactly this way in BH.
In regard to the yiqtols in Numbers 9:

v.2 VeYa`aSu is future

v.7 NiGaRa` is either present or immediate future

v.8 Ve'eShMe`aH is cohortative

     YeTsaVeH is future

v.10 YiHeYeH is future

v.11 Ya`aSu is future

v.12 YaSh'iRu is future

       YiShBeRu is future

       Ya`aSu is future

v.13 YiSa' is future

v.14 YaGuR is future

       Ya`aSeh is future

       YiHYeh is future

v.15 YiHYeh is iterative past from the writer's
perspective. The parenthetical iterative section
continues through 20.  These past time iterative
yiqtols are substantiated by such words as TaMiyD
(always v.16), VeYeSh 'aSheR (and it was so,v20,21)
'O (or,v.21, 22), and by the infinitives in vv.17, 19, 22
(when), and by the clear habitual statements in vv.18
and 23. In this section, every yiqtol is
iterative/habitual.

If I missed one, please let me know.
I will look at Ezekiel later.  Name your other passages and I will examine 
them as
well.



Rolf Furuli wrote:

> Randall Buth wrote:
> >but these are iterative. statives events can repeat.
> >
>
>
> Dear Randall,
>
> It seems to me that your interpretation is somewhat forced. Iterativity
> implies dynamicity or change, but a state is per definition nondynamic; it
> is something that continues without any input of energy. Do you say that
> HAYA in this text is fientic? I am aware of an ingressive use of the word
> (the entrance into the state, become, happen), but not of a fientic use. Do
> you have any examples of that? Would you also interprete all the 19 YIQTOLS
> with past meaning in the chapter as iterative,

Yes, they are all iterative.

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Lee R. Martin
Pastor, Prospect Church of God, Cleveland, Tennessee
Instructor in Hebrew and Old Testament
Church of God Theological Seminary
http://www.earth.vol.com/~lmartin/