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  • From: Lee Flier <lflier@mindspring.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] THE MOVEMENT...EVOLVING
  • Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 04:52:42 -0400

Well said, Scott. I’ve been put off by the Silicon Valley-ish capitalistic
fervor of a lot of folks calling themselves Permaculturists these days. Love
and care do indeed seem to be absent from the equation. I feel a strong pull
to practice in a much quieter way, and that’s mostly what I’ve been doing.
It’s not likely to make me rich, but that isn’t the goal.

> On Apr 21, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think this can be "a" step, "the next big step" not hardly. I don't have
> much faith in "Transition Town" they don't seem to have much traction in
> the U.S.A. Too much focus on process and too little on action seems the
> most common complaint.
>
> I also have given up on the IPC; I have flogged "invisible structures"
> through four IPC's with my Elephant in the Room sessions and have been met
> with scorn, approbation, and lack of interest. The genome seems to be
> configured to capitalism in most humans and I see that greed trumps (that
> word again) "care". Without a major focus on ethics permaculture is mired
> in the swamp of "herbal spirals" and "swales" and I, frankly, am bored to
> tears with both subjects.
>
> What brought me to permaculture was the ethics, principals and invisible
> structures; all the rest was "technique". Seems we have lost our focus and
> are slipping back into the same old paradigm we were fighting to overcome.
> The core of permaculture is "care" and care translates into love in most
> cultures. Love has been at the core of virtually every spiritual tradition
> since the maternalistic societies of the middle east and as such have
> endured the ravages of time, though much diminished by religiosity
> a "carrot/stick" pedagogy.
>
> Where that leaves me is to continue thinking my way through how to escape
> the mire of the current paradigm ( and certainly Trump is a huge harbinger
> of this paradigm) without violence, and lies. I am still puzzling my way
> through my book "Dharma of Permaculture", but it is not an easy task. I am
> also trying to maintain so faith in the divine nature of man, though I
> often want to sink into the nihilistic "fuck it".
>
> Scott Pittman
> Permaculture Institute
>
>> On 4/20/2018 10:50 AM, Steve Hart wrote:
>> This event could be the next big step ?
>>
>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/transition-together-an-international-symposium-on-the-need-for-societal-transitions-and-systems-level-change/2018/02/19
>>
>> ​I assume there will be many UK Permies in attendance and also sure we all
>> look fwd to the summaries and ongoing steps. Finally it seems many of our
>> "Invisible Structures" are coming out of the closet. Perhaps the reality
>> and truth behind all the ghosts and smoking mirrors will be exposed to to
>> allow us to better interpret where we have come from and how our societies
>> have been conditioned, to then move forward. Hopefully we can evolve this
>> thread through IPCs​
>>
>>
>> *Steve Hart*
>> *Ecology Architect​. *
>> Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
>> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
>> and Systems Ecology.​
>> Skype: tipenemanawa
>> Phone: +64 220 75 62 11
>>
>>
>>
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>> https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart
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