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  • From: Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Dacha gardeners feeding the Russian nation | In 2011 the dacha gardens of Russia produced 40% of the nation's food.
  • Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 22:05:55 -0700 (PDT)

Lawrence,

You hypothecized that if the Dacha gardeners grew 41% of Russia's food, that
49% is grown by Russia's state agriculture.  What you missed in this equation
is that Russia is one of the world's largest food importing countries. 
Russia imports a lot of its food.  This means that it's agricultural sector
isn't doing very good. 

This should be a fact that should sober up the USA and other western
countries who rely on agribusiness agriculture to feed people.  Agribusiness
and agriculture suffer mightily when empires crash.  The US does not have a
counterpart to Russia's dacha food production.  In case of a collapse, the US
will be in a tough spot for food. 


 
Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds



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From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: [permaculture] Dacha gardeners feeding the Russian nation | In 2011
the dacha gardens of Russia produced 40% of the nation's food.


Dacha gardeners feeding the Russian nation
http://naturalhomes.org/naturalliving/russian-dacha.htm
In 2011 the dacha gardens of Russia produced 40% of the nation's food.


40% of Russia's Food is from Dacha Gardens

In 2011, 51% of Russia's food was grown either by dacha communities (40%),
like those pictured left in Sisto-Palkino, or peasant farmers (11%) leaving
the rest (49%) of production to the large agricultural enterprises. But
when you dig down into the earthy data from the Russian Statistics
Service<http://www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/en/figures/agriculture/>you
discover some impressive details. Again in 2011, dacha gardens
produced
over 80% of the countries fruit and berries, over 66% of the vegetables,
almost 80% of the potatoes and nearly 50% of the nations milk, much of it
consumed raw.

While many European governments make living on a small-holding very
difficult, in Russia the opposite is the case. In the UK one
councillor<http://www.lowimpact.org/blog/2012/Sep/smallholding_is_like_prison.htm>'s
opinion regarding living of the land was, "*Nobody would subject themselves
to that way of life. You might as well be in prison*"; tell that to a
nation of gardeners living off the land.


During the communist period school children were obliged to visit their
local farms to get hands-on experience harvesting food (below left) at a
time when about 90% of the nation's food came from dacha gardens. During
the same period every child would be expected to play their part in growing
the family's food from their small patch of Russia.

While the percentage of food grown by Russia's dacha has fallen since then
it is still a massive contribution to the nation's food and forms an
important part of their rural heritage. Take a walk through the street's of
Russia's cities, like St. Petersburg, and you will find people selling
herbs, fruit, berries and vegetables from their dacha gardens. Unlike many
cities in Europe and the USA, Russian cities are peppered with small corner
shops (below right) selling locally grown food in all shapes, colours and
sizes still carrying their native Russian soil.
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Just have to throw in that the U.S. is already in a tough spot for food,
given what people eat and what is found in grocery stores.
Likewise, in the issue of throwing away food that hungry people would like
to eat. (Do I have to provide a link or has everyone seen this? Sorry, just
don't happen to have it handy, but will keep my eyes open for it if anyone
has not seen it yet, and on more than one occasion I believe. The
juxtaposition of food laws that takes healthy food away from people (raw
milk raids) and allows unregulated gmo's in food is concerning, to say the
least.)
Fran
rant over...
calm one, but a rant nonetheless.
must be something about just having read Margaret Atwood's The Handmaiden's
Tale


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Pilarski
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:05 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Dacha gardeners feeding the Russian nation |
In2011 the dacha gardens of Russia produced 40% of the nation's food.

Lawrence,

You hypothecized that if the Dacha gardeners grew 41% of Russia's food, that
49% is grown by Russia's state agriculture. What you missed in this
equation is that Russia is one of the world's largest food importing
countries. Russia imports a lot of its food. This means that it's
agricultural sector isn't doing very good.

This should be a fact that should sober up the USA and other western
countries who rely on agribusiness agriculture to feed people. Agribusiness
and agriculture suffer mightily when empires crash. The US does not have a
counterpart to Russia's dacha food production. In case of a collapse, the
US will be in a tough spot for food.



Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski
Permaculture - Wildcrafting - Medicinal Herbs & Seeds



________________________________
From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 6:49 PM
Subject: [permaculture] Dacha gardeners feeding the Russian nation | In 2011
the dacha gardens of Russia produced 40% of the nation's food.


Dacha gardeners feeding the Russian nation
http://naturalhomes.org/naturalliving/russian-dacha.htm
In 2011 the dacha gardens of Russia produced 40% of the nation's food.


40% of Russia's Food is from Dacha Gardens

In 2011, 51% of Russia's food was grown either by dacha communities (40%),
like those pictured left in Sisto-Palkino, or peasant farmers (11%) leaving
the rest (49%) of production to the large agricultural enterprises. But
when you dig down into the earthy data from the Russian Statistics
Service<http://www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/en/figures/agriculture/>you
discover some impressive details. Again in 2011, dacha gardens
produced
over 80% of the countries fruit and berries, over 66% of the vegetables,
almost 80% of the potatoes and nearly 50% of the nations milk, much of it
consumed raw.

While many European governments make living on a small-holding very
difficult, in Russia the opposite is the case. In the UK one
councillor<http://www.lowimpact.org/blog/2012/Sep/smallholding_is_like_prison.htm>'s
opinion regarding living of the land was, "*Nobody would subject themselves
to that way of life. You might as well be in prison*"; tell that to a
nation of gardeners living off the land.


During the communist period school children were obliged to visit their
local farms to get hands-on experience harvesting food (below left) at a
time when about 90% of the nation's food came from dacha gardens. During
the same period every child would be expected to play their part in growing
the family's food from their small patch of Russia.

While the percentage of food grown by Russia's dacha has fallen since then
it is still a massive contribution to the nation's food and forms an
important part of their rural heritage. Take a walk through the street's of
Russia's cities, like St. Petersburg, and you will find people selling
herbs, fruit, berries and vegetables from their dacha gardens. Unlike many
cities in Europe and the USA, Russian cities are peppered with small corner
shops (below right) selling locally grown food in all shapes, colours and
sizes still carrying their native Russian soil.
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