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  • From: C land <descendingeagle@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] US National Permaculture Convergence: Proposal
  • Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:47:20 -0800

I'll third that. It would definitely increase credibility for all of us.
On Dec 20, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Neil Bertrando wrote:

> I second Loren's statements.
> Neil
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> This is wonderful, Micheal! I have been waiting for this... as well as
>> many others, I am sure.
>>
>> I support NWPCC being the host, as your region is very active and has lots
>> of good food... I am also willing to support the effort in any way I can.
>>
>> One suggestion for an aim/goal is to address the need (or not) for a
>> standardized National curriculum (for both PDC's and Advanced trainings),
>> and the idea for a National Association of Permaculture Designers, akin to
>> a professional group like the AIA or ISA.
>>
>> I for one vote yes! We are so long overdue for a National...
>>
>> hoorah!
>> Loren Luyendyk
>> ISA Certified Arborist #WE 7805A
>> Permaculture Design & Education
>> (805) 452-8249
>> www.sborganics.com
>> www.globalpermaculture.com
>> www.surferswithoutborders.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:45:15 -0800
>>> From: friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com
>>> To: friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com
>>> Subject: [permaculture] US National Permaculture Convergence: Proposal
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>>> US National Permaculture Convergence:
>>>
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>>>
>>> Dear permaculture friends and associates,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are currently at least two conversations going on
>>> about holding a national permaculture convergence in the USA. Here is
>> one of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is the possibility of the 3rd Northwest
>>> Permaculture Convergence hosting a national permaculture convergence.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A little history. The 2nd NWPCC was held at the
>>> Columbia County Fairgrounds near Portland, Oregon this October, 2011 and
>>> attracted 463 participants. The 1st NWPCC was held at the South Seattle
>> Community College in
>>> September 2010 and had 371 participants. Leading up to the NWPCC were the
>>> Washington State Permaculture Convergences held in 2009 and 2008. I was
>> the
>>> lead organizer for the WSPCs in 2008 and 2009 but took a back seat in
>> 2010 and
>>> 2011. The organizing team for the 3rd NWPCC (to be held in
>>> Washington State) is still forming. I am on that team and have asked my
>>> teammates if they would be willing to scale up their efforts and host a
>>> national pc convergence.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a tentative yes,
>>>
>>> IF we are the best candidate in the running
>>>
>>> AND providing that the permaculture community thinks this is
>>> a good idea,
>>>
>>> AND it would require a bunch more strong players joining the
>>> organizing team.
>>>
>>> Anyone interested?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The US has never had a national pc convergence, per se, but
>>> the 2nd International Permaculture Convergence and Conference in
>>> 1986 was held in the USA. The convergence was held in Breitenbush Hot
>> Springs,
>>> Oregon and the IPC Conference was held at the Evergreen State College in
>>> Olympia, Washington. 700 people attended the conference from around the
>> US and
>>> around the world. A large-scale US
>>> pc convergence has not happened since.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Initial polls show that some permaculturists think this is a
>>> good idea and other ones think it is a bad idea. Why do a national
>> convergence?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * Information exchange. This would not be permaculture 101.
>>> Each region has its share of experts when it comes to forest gardening,
>> natural
>>> building, water systems, etc. The information at a national convergence
>> would
>>> include:
>>>
>>> + What are the
>>> best educational systems for permaculture?
>>>
>>> + Where are the best functioning models/examples in the US?
>>>
>>> + How can they be scaled up?
>>>
>>> + Where has permaculture successfully integrated into
>>> schools, colleges and universities?
>>>
>>>
>>> + Discussion about curriculum, national standards,
>>> certification.
>>>
>>> + Comparing notes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Set up networks for inter-regional information exchange. We
>>> have the internet… how can we use it better? Remembering our
>> permaculture principle of “multiple elements
>>> for single functions”, what is our back up to internet communication?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * Personal relationships are built face to face. Perhaps the
>>> most important thing is the synergy and dynamism that happen when people
>> meet
>>> and interact face to face. Things
>>> can happen that the internet does not allow.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * I just got an email from Max Lindegger in Australia and he
>>> advises “Make sure you have a real purpose, aim.” Suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Our proposal is not just a national convergence, but rather,
>>> adding a national component to our regional convergence. There would
>> definitely
>>> still be a need for lots of workshops on forest gardening, natural
>> building,
>>> etc to satisfy our regional participants’ desire for hands-on
>> permaculture
>>> info. Judging from our growth curve we would expect the 2012 NWPCC to
>> attract
>>> 500 people or so from around the PNW region. Adding a national aspect
>> would
>>> likely add another 200 or more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The ecological fuel costs of people coming long distances is
>>> not to be taken lightly. People should not come from far away for idle
>>> curiousity. The farther away you come, the stronger your permaculture
>>> credentials should be. Trains take longer than planes, but it would
>> behoove us
>>> to take trains.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Blah, blah, blah. You probably already know if you would or
>>> wouldn’t want to attend a national pc gathering. I suppose it depends on
>> how
>>> far away it was. Would you travel
>>> 100 miles? 500 miles? 1,000 miles? Across the country? Personally I was
>> thinking 700 miles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously a national convergence would rotate around the
>>> country. Midwest, west coast, east coast, etc. You gotta start
>> somewhere. We
>>> can all take turns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To sum up:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * Send me feedback. What do YOU think of the idea of a
>>> national convergence?
>>>
>>> * Who else is thinking of hosting a national convergence at
>>> this time?
>>>
>>> * Would anyone want to volunteer their region/organization
>>> to host one at some point in the future?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course, the 2012 Northwest Permaculture Convergence team
>>> and I would be thrilled if someone has a better offer than us and we
>> would be
>>> glad to support them from our end. We can do it another time. This is a
>>> tentative offer at any rate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Towards a greener and happier world,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Pilarski, Friends of the Trees Society
>>>
>>> friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com
>>>
>>>
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