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  • From: Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] US National Permaculture Convergence: Proposal
  • Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:39:44 -0800

I second Loren's statements.
Neil

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>wrote:

>
> This is wonderful, Micheal! I have been waiting for this... as well as
> many others, I am sure.
>
> I support NWPCC being the host, as your region is very active and has lots
> of good food... I am also willing to support the effort in any way I can.
>
> One suggestion for an aim/goal is to address the need (or not) for a
> standardized National curriculum (for both PDC's and Advanced trainings),
> and the idea for a National Association of Permaculture Designers, akin to
> a professional group like the AIA or ISA.
>
> I for one vote yes! We are so long overdue for a National...
>
> hoorah!
> Loren Luyendyk
> ISA Certified Arborist #WE 7805A
> Permaculture Design & Education
> (805) 452-8249
> www.sborganics.com
> www.globalpermaculture.com
> www.surferswithoutborders.org
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:45:15 -0800
> > From: friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com
> > To: friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com
> > Subject: [permaculture] US National Permaculture Convergence: Proposal
> >
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> > US National Permaculture Convergence:
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > Dear permaculture friends and associates,
> >
> >
> >
> > There are currently at least two conversations going on
> > about holding a national permaculture convergence in the USA. Here is
> one of them.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is the possibility of the 3rd Northwest
> > Permaculture Convergence hosting a national permaculture convergence.
> >
> >
> >
> > A little history. The 2nd NWPCC was held at the
> > Columbia County Fairgrounds near Portland, Oregon this October, 2011 and
> > attracted 463 participants. The 1st NWPCC was held at the South Seattle
> Community College in
> > September 2010 and had 371 participants. Leading up to the NWPCC were the
> > Washington State Permaculture Convergences held in 2009 and 2008. I was
> the
> > lead organizer for the WSPCs in 2008 and 2009 but took a back seat in
> 2010 and
> > 2011. The organizing team for the 3rd NWPCC (to be held in
> > Washington State) is still forming. I am on that team and have asked my
> > teammates if they would be willing to scale up their efforts and host a
> > national pc convergence.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a tentative yes,
> >
> > IF we are the best candidate in the running
> >
> > AND providing that the permaculture community thinks this is
> > a good idea,
> >
> > AND it would require a bunch more strong players joining the
> > organizing team.
> >
> > Anyone interested?
> >
> >
> >
> > The US has never had a national pc convergence, per se, but
> > the 2nd International Permaculture Convergence and Conference in
> > 1986 was held in the USA. The convergence was held in Breitenbush Hot
> Springs,
> > Oregon and the IPC Conference was held at the Evergreen State College in
> > Olympia, Washington. 700 people attended the conference from around the
> US and
> > around the world. A large-scale US
> > pc convergence has not happened since.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Initial polls show that some permaculturists think this is a
> > good idea and other ones think it is a bad idea. Why do a national
> convergence?
> >
> >
> >
> > * Information exchange. This would not be permaculture 101.
> > Each region has its share of experts when it comes to forest gardening,
> natural
> > building, water systems, etc. The information at a national convergence
> would
> > include:
> >
> > + What are the
> > best educational systems for permaculture?
> >
> > + Where are the best functioning models/examples in the US?
> >
> > + How can they be scaled up?
> >
> > + Where has permaculture successfully integrated into
> > schools, colleges and universities?
> >
> >
> > + Discussion about curriculum, national standards,
> > certification.
> >
> > + Comparing notes.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Set up networks for inter-regional information exchange. We
> > have the internet… how can we use it better? Remembering our
> permaculture principle of “multiple elements
> > for single functions”, what is our back up to internet communication?
> >
> >
> >
> > * Personal relationships are built face to face. Perhaps the
> > most important thing is the synergy and dynamism that happen when people
> meet
> > and interact face to face. Things
> > can happen that the internet does not allow.
> >
> >
> >
> > * I just got an email from Max Lindegger in Australia and he
> > advises “Make sure you have a real purpose, aim.” Suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > Our proposal is not just a national convergence, but rather,
> > adding a national component to our regional convergence. There would
> definitely
> > still be a need for lots of workshops on forest gardening, natural
> building,
> > etc to satisfy our regional participants’ desire for hands-on
> permaculture
> > info. Judging from our growth curve we would expect the 2012 NWPCC to
> attract
> > 500 people or so from around the PNW region. Adding a national aspect
> would
> > likely add another 200 or more.
> >
> >
> >
> > The ecological fuel costs of people coming long distances is
> > not to be taken lightly. People should not come from far away for idle
> > curiousity. The farther away you come, the stronger your permaculture
> > credentials should be. Trains take longer than planes, but it would
> behoove us
> > to take trains.
> >
> >
> >
> > Blah, blah, blah. You probably already know if you would or
> > wouldn’t want to attend a national pc gathering. I suppose it depends on
> how
> > far away it was. Would you travel
> > 100 miles? 500 miles? 1,000 miles? Across the country? Personally I was
> thinking 700 miles.
> >
> >
> >
> > Obviously a national convergence would rotate around the
> > country. Midwest, west coast, east coast, etc. You gotta start
> somewhere. We
> > can all take turns.
> >
> >
> >
> > To sum up:
> >
> >
> >
> > * Send me feedback. What do YOU think of the idea of a
> > national convergence?
> >
> > * Who else is thinking of hosting a national convergence at
> > this time?
> >
> > * Would anyone want to volunteer their region/organization
> > to host one at some point in the future?
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course, the 2012 Northwest Permaculture Convergence team
> > and I would be thrilled if someone has a better offer than us and we
> would be
> > glad to support them from our end. We can do it another time. This is a
> > tentative offer at any rate.
> >
> >
> >
> > Towards a greener and happier world,
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Pilarski, Friends of the Trees Society
> >
> > friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com
> >
> >
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