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  • From: georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Permaculture saying, "Prepare for Disaster" and the mo...
  • Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:22:19 +0100

Hi, DGilsen, you wrote
Another thing that works to debug your dried food is dry Ice. fill your
bucket with whatever you are trying to preserve to about two inches from the
top, Then place about six to eight oz of dry ice in the top of the
container and put the lid on loosely .

I have question here:
Why not put it on the bottom of the empty can and then pour the grain or beans on it?

For my imagination it would make a lot more sense to put the dry ice in there first and then fill the grin on top - thus the expanding CO2 really drives out all air. I inagine, that if put on top part of the air might stay trapped on the bottom of the container, so grainborne bugs could still feast for a while till they use up the oxigen (no idea how long this would take).


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Am 03.10.2011 um 16:04 schrieb Bob Waldrop:

Regarding food to acquire for long term storage . . . you should store what
you eat and eat what you store. A time of crisis is not a time to start a
new diet. plus, if you don't eat your storage, it will not be rotated.

Regarding containers for items like dried beans, wheat, etc., one of the
most common choices is a food grade five gallon bucket. The easiest way to
deal with potential insect issues is to fill the container and then freeze
it for a week, which should destroy any insect eggs.

Bob Waldrop, OKC


-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence F. London, Jr.
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:24 AM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] The Permaculture saying, "Prepare for Disaster"
and the mo...

On 10/3/2011 2:25 AM, DGilsen@aol.com wrote:
Check out the Mormons they recommends that all their members get a years
supply of food for each member of their family . They have places that
any
one can go and help can and buy dry foods. They also have lists of what
you need and what the shelf life is of the foods they suggest you buy.
Wheat, rice, beans, flour ,carrots, onions, potatoes ect. You do not
have to be
Mormon to buy and they will love to help you get set up, the prices are
quite reasonable. Call any Mormon church ( also known as The Church of
Jesus
Christ of latter day Saints) and ask about food storage.

I would like to see this develop into a useful thread. Things I would
like to know about are:

I. Equipment
1) insect-proof, waterproof dry foods/bulk foods storage containers for
things such as whole rice, corn, other grains, beans, pasta, seaweed,
dried fruit, tea and coffee, nuts, seeds, granola, dried peppers etc.
2) proper storage containers for canned and bottled goods that you do
not want on shelving, incl. oils, tamari, vinegar, condiments and
sauces, butters: sesame, sunflower, almond (and/or peanut, cashew),
honey, rice malt, barley malt, molasses etc.
3) best ways to store grains and beans for prevention of insect damage
4) recommended refrigerators and freezers (for me that would be GE
freezers, small capacity, several of them and nothing but Sanyo
refrigerators (I have 4 medium sized counter top models without
freezers, one still in the box, 3 in active use year round)
II. Food to acquire for long term storage

1) My suggestions:
seaweed
dried hot peppers
sea salt
rice
barley
corn grits
corn meal
dried fruits
tamari
vinegar
miso
umeboshi
natto
olive oil
sesame oil
canned herring, sprats and sardines
canned tuna
canned chicken
canned beef if you can find any on sale
dried fish, sardines of varying sizes in bags from Asian stores
dried mushrooms
butters: sesame, sunflower, almond
granola
honey, rice malt, barley malt, molasses
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