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  • Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:00:50 +1100

At first when i planted out the area in front of my home I worried about pollutants, coal dust from the mine trucks, fumes, rubbish thrown from cars etc.
I concentrated on useful plants such as flaxes and comfrey for composting etc
then i realised that this area doesn't have to be food grown for now, it can be my food-bank - an area from which i can grow food plants for the seeds to use
in a more protected area the following years.

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1. Re: Growing Along Highway Margins (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
2. Re: Garden in Germany would like helper(s)
(Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
3. Re: Growing Along Highway Margins (Cory Brennan)
4. Re: Growing Along Highway Margins (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
5. Hani Rice Terraces - Yunnan Photo Gallery by Alister Benn&
Juanli Sun at pbase.com (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
6. Re: White flies in the greenhouse (Paul Cross)
7. Growing Along Highway Margins (Christopher Randolph)
8. Re: Growing Along Highway Margins (yarrow@sfo.com)
9. Austrian Alpine Aquaculture - Boing Boing - Sepp Holzer -
Permaculture - YouTube Permaculture Videos (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
10. Miro Video Player& Miro Video Converter - useful and
recommended - free/open (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
11. Re- establishing a water source (Cuauhtemoc Landeros)
12. Oxfam (Grifen)
13. Farmers Markets in Cost Rica (Amy Little)
14. skeeter on cottonwood trees - new video (paul wheaton)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:17:44 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Growing Along Highway Margins
To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
Cory Brennan wrote:
Prairie grass or rapeseed could work as a biofuel possibly. Fertility
problem could be addressed with seasonal cover cropping and use of
organic waste streams in the city. Complex prairie grass systems may
maintain fertility even with harvesting if done right. Some research
is being done on this in the midwest currently. It may not be
advanced enough yet for this project but worth checking into.
How about a natural Fukuoka type plan for a plot of land wherein the
existing seedbank is allowed to grow and compete for succession
- a public learning garden! interspersed throughout the roadside
landscapes, integrated with the water impoundments, catch crops (swales
catch runoff to irrigate lowland gardens adjoining (on downhill sides of
the swales) allowed to develop unattended, providing wildlife habitat
and food - I am thinking of benefits from a mix of eleagnus, cedar
and/or juniper, carpets of native ground cover: mint, Creeping charlie
or ground ivy - the large leafed, prolific, medicinal, fragrant,
invasive catch crop ideal for compost piles and Hugelkultur
(Glechoma hederacea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glechoma_hederacea),
chickweed, tall sweet clover, Alsike clover and miscellaneous other
volunteer wild plants.
Here is a list of common yard weeds I like a lot that would be perfect
in a low area below a swale, growing within banks of eleagnus and beds
of various mints:

http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/prostrate-spurge.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/henbit.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/mouse-ear-chickweed.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/white-clover.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/thistle.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/common-chickweed.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/purslane.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/knotweed.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/prostrate-spurge.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/yellow-woodsorrel.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/dandelion.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/common-plantain.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/buckhorn-plantain.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/ground-ivy.jpg

Instead of landscaping, what about food forests at those larger
junctions of land? Food will be exposed to exhaust, which is a major
downside but there may be microclimates where exposure could be
minimized.
Lead is no longer in regular gas so there may not be much of a problem
from exhaust smoke. Weather and pollution-tolerant species of fruit
and nut (hazelnut, hickory). Pumpkins! Watermelons!

Yes, swales, water catchment, etc! Capture the energy..
I think it is about laws of thermodynamics. Go for the most concentrated
accumulation of energy, whether it is light, heat, nitrogen as in
manure, water from within a watershed....and recycle it through
successive systems of usage and successive cycles of reuse and
recycling, eliminating errors in the wastestream.

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:28:29 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Garden in Germany would like helper(s)
To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Nina Rinkes wrote:

Hi, there!

We'd like to grow vegetables,
get chicken and build a little outdoor-kitchen.
How do you plan to cook in this outdoor kitchen? Wood? Gas stove?
Wood. We also use it for heating in the house.
The outdoor kitchen is the last thing on the list, though. Must get the
vegetable garden going first, so there's something to cook!
Also, we've got a little open fire-place in the garden, which we can use in
the mean time.

Hello Nina& thanks for the reply. Your home cuisine really captured my
attention; it represents nearly the best nutritional regimen I could
imagine, and all home grown and prepared.

I spent a lot of time this past winter experimenting with wood fired
outdoor cooking stoves, mostly one made out of scrap metal stock, parts
and implements. Also a rocket stove type. If you have access to cutting
and welding equipment you can make some fancy stoves, otherwise a
masonry stove is probably a better idea. There are plenty of plans for
these on the Web. Ideally you would combine use of an outdoor wood fired
bake oven with bread making and cooking food, meat, casseroles. But a
separate masonry wood fired cook stove is highly recommended, one with a
grill and with a hot metal surface for slow cooking (like rice! best way
to cook that by far).

We promise you good food (mostly organic and local, our own home-made
rye sourdough bread, spelt flat bread, kimchi and other vegetable
ferments, hearty stews made from scratch, fresh salads, tasty local
cheeses...) and merry company! You could sleep in the house in a
little room with a big balcony or in a tent, as you like.
ohmygod, I'll be leaving tommorow....:-)

What food!!!

LL....:
Yeah, head over then!
Nina
If I were younger and had the $$$ to travel I would really enjoy a few
weeks with you all. If you're ever over here in the USA you are welcome
to stay (kinda spartan accomodations but interesting and natural) a
while at my farm: http://venaurafarm.blogspot.com.

::::....LL


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:03:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cory Brennan<cory8570@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Growing Along Highway Margins
To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID:<778332.77071.qm@web52604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Some nice ideas. I would lean toward creating ecosystems as much as possible
that blended with whatever is next to the highway.

One way to handle the fertility issue with building materials might be to have clumps
of bamboo surrounded by "guild" type supporting plants - nitrogen fixers,
dynamic accumulators, etc. You need a lot of material for biofuels - bamboo might be
more practical and it can be used for many things, not just building.

I hope they will avoid monocropping, whatever they do. Guild polycrops would
be a conversation starter and a great example. It could even be economically
viable if they create the right harvests - maybe even pay for highway repairs
or something :-) Imagine that! A government paying its own way through
efficient, sustainable use of commons.

Cory

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Lawrence F. London, Jr.<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

From: Lawrence F. London, Jr.<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Growing Along Highway Margins
To: "permaculture"<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 7:17 PM
Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
Cory Brennan wrote:
Prairie grass or rapeseed could work as a biofuel
possibly. Fertility
problem could be addressed with seasonal cover
cropping and use of
organic waste streams in the city. Complex prairie
grass systems may
maintain fertility even with harvesting if done
right. Some research
is being done on this in the midwest currently. It
may not be
advanced enough yet for this project but worth
checking into.
How about a natural Fukuoka type plan for a plot of
land wherein the
existing seedbank is allowed to grow and compete for
succession
- a public learning garden! interspersed throughout
the roadside
landscapes, integrated with the water impoundments,
catch crops (swales
catch runoff to irrigate lowland gardens adjoining (on
downhill sides of
the swales) allowed to develop unattended, providing
wildlife habitat
and food - I am thinking of benefits from a mix of
eleagnus, cedar
and/or juniper, carpets of native ground cover: mint,
Creeping charlie
or ground ivy - the large leafed, prolific, medicinal,
fragrant,
invasive catch crop ideal for compost piles and
Hugelkultur
(Glechoma hederacea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glechoma_hederacea),
chickweed, tall sweet clover, Alsike clover and
miscellaneous other
volunteer wild plants.
Here is a list of common yard weeds I like a lot that would
be perfect
in a low area below a swale, growing within banks of
eleagnus and beds
of various mints:

http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/prostrate-spurge.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/henbit.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/mouse-ear-chickweed.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/white-clover.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/thistle.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/common-chickweed.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/purslane.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/knotweed.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/prostrate-spurge.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/yellow-woodsorrel.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/dandelion.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/common-plantain.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/buckhorn-plantain.jpg
http://www.hort.iastate.edu/courses/syllabi/hort351l/weeds/ground-ivy.jpg

Instead of landscaping, what about food forests at
those larger
junctions of land? Food will be exposed to
exhaust, which is a major
downside but there may be microclimates where
exposure could be
minimized.
Lead is no longer in regular gas so there may not be much
of a problem
from exhaust smoke. Weather and pollution-tolerant species
of fruit
and nut (hazelnut, hickory). Pumpkins! Watermelons!

Yes, swales, water catchment, etc! Capture the
energy..
I think it is about laws of thermodynamics. Go for the
most concentrated
accumulation of energy, whether it is light, heat,
nitrogen as in
manure, water from within a watershed....and recycle
it through
successive systems of usage and successive cycles of
reuse and
recycling, eliminating errors in the wastestream.

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:47:14 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Growing Along Highway Margins
To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID:<4BAD7FC2.2030105@bellsouth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Cory Brennan wrote:
Some nice ideas. I would lean toward creating ecosystems as much as
possible that blended with whatever is next to the highway.
Here's a very nice naturally overgrown watercourse that could be
anywhere, beside a highway, in the country, in a neighborhood.
Stream and embankment:
http://ic2.pbase.com/o4/27/568427/1/53496079.Pretoro10.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/csanchez/image/53496079
http://i.pbase.com/o4/27/568427/1/53496423.Pretoro11.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/csanchez/image/53496423
Gardens:
http://i.pbase.com/v3/27/568427/1/47804911.Pretoro4.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/csanchez/image/47804911

One way to handle the fertility issue with building materials might
be to have clumps of bamboo surrounded by "guild" type supporting
plants - nitrogen fixers, dynamic accumulators, etc. You need a lot
of material for biofuels - bamboo might be more practical and it can
be used for many things, not just building.
Bamboo is very invasive, could be a problem. The giant bamboo might be
used in controlled situations but it too is invasive requiring track
loader or backhoe for removal if needed.

I hope they will avoid monocropping, whatever they do. Guild
polycrops would be a conversation starter and a great example. It
could even be economically viable if they create the right harvests -
maybe even pay for highway repairs or something :-) Imagine that! A
government paying its own way through efficient, sustainable use of
commons.
I think that, with the proper planning, materials specsheets and
execution this could actually be done.
Better now than later!
And no pesticides in any category, especially herbicides!!


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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:07:02 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [permaculture] Hani Rice Terraces - Yunnan Photo Gallery by
Alister Benn& Juanli Sun at pbase.com
To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID:<4BAD8466.6070500@bellsouth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


Really exquisite photography, and subject matter!

Hani Rice Terraces - Yunnan
Photo Gallery by Alister Benn& Juanli Sun at pbase.com
http://www.pbase.com/alibenn/hani_rice_terraces
Hani Rice Terraces - Yunnan
"In early January 2006 my wife and I spent a week in the small village
of Shengcun in the very south of Yunnan. The provincial town of Yuanyang
is the center of a fabulous area of rice terraces, built, no sculpted by
the local Hani people over many generations."
Sample:
http://www.pbase.com/alibenn/image/54915251
http://www.pbase.com/alibenn/image/54915252
http://www.pbase.com/alibenn/image/54915254
It is hard to even conceive of the scale of this farming system,
what an accomplishment!
http://www.pbase.com/alibenn/image/54915259

....:LL


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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:06:52 -0600
From: Paul Cross<charybda@newmex.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] White flies in the greenhouse
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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You want the parasitic wasp Encarsia formosa to control your greenhouse
whiteflies. Get the wasps now before the summer flare up. Much easier to
control the whiteflies during cool temperatures, when they take as long
4 months to complete a life cycle, versus 2.5 weeks when it's hot.
That's why you see big population explosions in summer. EF comes on
little cards that you hang on your plants. They hatch and fly around
looking for whitefly larvae to parasitize. The wasps are so small you'll
likely never see them. This solution takes no spraying and is more
effective.

I get my Ef here:

http://www.hydro-gardens.com/whitefly.htm

Scott, for mealybugs have you tried a douse or swab of alcohol directly
onto the critters? Cryptolaemus is the main biological control but I've
never tried them and they are expensive.

Paul



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:48:11 -0700
From: Christopher Randolph<c.a.randolph@gmail.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Growing Along Highway Margins
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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Hi again,

Thanks for all of your great ideas. Animals would be excellent, but I think
maintenance would become overwhelming pretty quickly. It was my impression
that the city was looking for something that would paint Portland as
sustainable and could be easily explained with a couple signs. I realize
that is kinda boring, but it is hard to sell anything complicated to city
officials. Food systems would be great - but do you think all the pollution
would be a problem? What about coppicing willow for weaving (maybe even
biofuel?)? I also get the impression that this project will need to cost
around the same amount as the typical ivy/st.johnswort mass plantings cost,
which unfortunately rules out any earth moving plans.

Thanks again for all the help! It is much appreciated.

Chris


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:40:09 -0800
From: yarrow@sfo.com
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Growing Along Highway Margins
To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: Christopher Randolph<c.a.randolph@gmail.com>
Message-ID:<f06110401c7d3566b5853@[66.81.37.235]>
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At 2:36 PM -0700 3/26/10, Christopher Randolph wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I recently had the opportunity to meet with a city official out here in
Portland, Oregon who is trying to use the land along city highways to grow
biofuels and/or building materials....>>
1. native plants. What can be more sustainable and appropriate than
native plants? They can then do a big campaign promoting the use of
native plants in home landscaping as well, for all the usual reasons
(native plants support native fauna, usually require fewer inputs,
are adapted to the climate, etc.). In Calif. some years ago, I heard
that a landscape architect was specifying natives for roadsides but
running into problems because the maintenance crews didn't know how
to maintain them, so ultimately natives were nixed. It does require
extra training to teach a different approach (little or no watering,
pruning, and fert once established), but worth it in the long run.

2. wood for special uses. One of the local nonprofits that's focused
on urban trees had a project for identifying useful woods so that
when street trees had to be cut, they could be used as specialty
lumber rather than as mulch. So you could ask local woodworkers, what
woods would you like to source locally? And then see what can be
grown locally. (Though I assume that most woodworking quality woods
come from slow-growing trees that might not grow fast enough for
roadside use or be healthy enough when harvested.) Boxwoods, for
instance, are prized for musical instruments but take a long, long
time to get substantial girth. I wonder if the native cherries have
good wood?


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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:25:19 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [permaculture] Austrian Alpine Aquaculture - Boing Boing -
Sepp Holzer - Permaculture - YouTube Permaculture Videos
To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID:<4BADA4CF.6010401@bellsouth.net>
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Austrian Alpine Aquaculture - Boing Boing
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/26/sepp-holzer.html
Austrian Alpine Aquaculture
Meara O'Reilly at 10:20 PM March 26, 2010
Meara O'Reilly is a sound designer, instrument builder, and singer. She
builds and writes for Make magazine.

"There's been a lot of press
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/garden/18aqua.html
about Aquaponics
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/26/%3Ca
and sustainable fish farming
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_barber_how_i_fell_in_love_with_a_fish.html
cropping up lately, so I wanted to share this astonishingly beautiful
example:
Sepp Holzer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Holzer
lives on a mountaintop in Austria, where he casually but thoughtfully
manages a fish farm that provides all of his food, clean water, income,
and electricity through nothing but a series of carefully placed pond
systems. Gravity pulls the water from pond to pond, and little
micro-organism-eating fish are gradually replaced by bigger and bigger
predatory fish until he has clean water and full-sized trout! It's so
simple it might seem like magic, but it's actually cooler than that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFQUKQVwRXU&feature=player_embedded
You can watch another short profile about Holzer's paradise here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7mQZHfFVE
and go here
http://www.oekofilm.de/index.php?id=40,39,0,0,1,0
to see Eco Film's
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/26/%3Ca
http://www.youtube.com/user/ecofilm
entire series on Permaculture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture";


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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:56:25 -0400
From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [permaculture] Miro Video Player& Miro Video Converter -
useful and recommended - free/open
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[Paul might be interested in this]
I just installed these two - easy. The video downloaded/player is
amazing - try it and search for permaculture videos! Lots.

Miro | Video Player |
Free video and audio podcast player and torrent client.
http://www.getmiro.com/

Miro Video Converter - Free! Convert any video to MP4, OGG Theora,
iPhone, Android, iPod, and more, based on FFMPEG.
http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/


Miro, the free video player, goes 3.0
Cory Doctorow at 11:30 AM March 26, 2010
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/26/miro-the-free-video.html
"Miro (formerly Democracy Player) is a free/open video player that
automates subscribing to feeds of videos that are fetched down using
Bittorrent (meaning that the creators of videos don't have to have the
money for bandwidth) and then played in a flexible player that supports
practically every format. The effect is great: pick a channel of videos
that you like, subscribe, and forget about it -- Miro downloads episodes
as they're available and just plays 'em, no matter what file format
they're in.

Nicholas Reville from Miro sez, "In our relentless quest to make great
free and open-source software and help decentralize media, we have just
released Miro 3.0, a major update that adds support for subtitles. We're
also releasing a brand new application called Miro Video Converter,
which is a really easy way to convert any video to MP4 or devices, but
more importantly is the only easy way to convert a video to patent-free
OGG Theora using the latest high-quality encoding (which really does
rival the quality of h.264). We created this converter because our
campaign to get Video on Wikipedia was only practical if people had an
easy way to make Ogg Theora videos."


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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:15:51 -0800
From: Cuauhtemoc Landeros<descendingeagle@gmail.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Re- establishing a water source
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I am currently working on a project in the north of Ca on an indian
reservation. We are trying to increase the flow of a spring on the site. It
is rocky clay soil with mostly oak, madrone and manzanita trees. I have
thought about using keyline design to bring water to the ridges, swales,
catchment/infiltration ponds and dense contour plantings were also another
plan. Does anyone know if there are any trees/plants that hold a large
amount of water in the soil or are there any trees we should watch out for
(ones that take large amounts out of the soil). Any ideas would be of great
appreciation.


Thanks everyone for adding your chi to this movement we could call it our
sustenance/retirement plan but we all know its our for a better future plan.
Keep promoting because when we gain enough mass we are the momentum.

Takes Team Work to make the Dream Work

Know you are the Difference.......


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:14:30 -0230
From: "Grifen"<grifenhope@gmail.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Oxfam
To: "'International Permaculture List'"
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Hola, does anyone have contacts in Oxfam? Maybe for Latin America or Chile?
Gracias, Grifen

-----Mensaje original-----
De: nichole.ross@permacultureusa.org
[mailto:nichole.ross@permacultureusa.org]
Enviado el: Wednesday, 17 March 2010 7:16 p.m.
Para: Grifen
CC: Craig Mackintosh; Geoff Lawton; Eric Seider; Andrew Jones; Owen
Hablutzel
Asunto: PRI USA Fiscal Sponsorship for Chile

Hi Grifen,

I am attaching a contract for fiscal sponsorship, as well as as guidelines
for the website reporting requirement. Please look it over and let me know
of anything that concerns you. If everything is ok, please fill out the
yellow highlighted section regarding the purpose of your project, as well as
a short description. Then, you can sign the contract, scan it and email it
back to me. I think Craig is working on the donation button(s) on the
website. There may be a separate contract and procedure regarding donations
that go through PRI Australia. Since the two organizations are separate
entities, we have different procedures.

You can communicate directly with me regarding any funds I send you or
matters related to them. We're very happy to be working with you and helping
to support your project.

Aloha
Nichole Ross
PRI USA Administrator/Director




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:15:04 -0400
From: Amy Little<amylittle@hvc.rr.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Farmers Markets in Cost Rica
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Does anyone have experience with Farmers Markets in Cost Rica?



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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:24:53 -0600
From: paul wheaton<paul@richsoil.com>
Subject: [permaculture] skeeter on cottonwood trees - new video
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z8TP7XgtNM

Coming soon .... my greatest video ever. I have dozens of hours of
work into it so far. I actually paid money to somebody for some of
the art work. Since I have learned that it is the first 24 hours on
youtube that can make or break a video, I'm hoping that the first 24
hours do well with this new video.

If you don't already have a youtube account, I would like to ask that
you please set up a youtube account now so that when my big new video
comes out, you could (pretty please) help it along to the big youtube
front stage.

Thanks!


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