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  • From: Nancy Frank <oppty@mac.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Pre-design for collapse
  • Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:17:43 -0500

Just one more thing, and then I will go on with my day. The manure produced from llamas is high in nitrogen, and does not have to be composted before it is applied to a garden. It doesn't burn the plants.

Nancy

On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Nancy Frank wrote:

In response to your push carts and bicycle carts, I thought about
other animals, like horses. I know that horses eat far too much to
make them realistic for most, and are not sustainable in the long
run. But llamas are MUCH more efficient with what they eat, can
carry more per pound of body weight than a horse (a horse weighing
1,000 pounds will carry about 210 pounds, llamas weighing 300 pounds
will carry about 50-75 pounds). They also keep brush down, as
browsers rather than only grass grazers, provide delightful wool for
spinning, knitting and weaving warm winter outerwear and sweaters,
and are friendly as companions. Just a thought.

I am learning a great deal from this list, and appreciate the
information.

Nancy in Wisconsin

On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Robert Waldrop wrote:

One final note. . . we had a potluck meal at
lunch, and I always think that potlucks are great
ideas for one day events. That way one person
isn't consumed with cooking/preparing for the
group, all can participate, and all take
responsibility for the food. Table fellowship is
important.

Melbourne is a great city, I was there a while in
1972, staying with a Greek family in Clifton Hill.
We heated our room with charcoal briquets that we
bought from a guy who came by once a week with a
push cart loaded with big sacks of briquets. I'm
sure things have changed a lot since then.
Pushcarts will be useful though. we didn't spend
a lot of time on it, but we did talk briefly about
using handcarts to move grain. That would require
more carts, because the turn-around time is
longer, and we figured there would be enough
bicycles in the area to do the more-efficient
bicycle cart, especially the rail-bike version
which, lacking fuel for trains, would be the most
efficient.

Being close to the ocean will be helpful for
Melbourne, although that depends on what has
happened with the fishing close to shore. Also,
IIRC, quite a bit of wheat is grown in Victoria,
although I don't know how the drought is impacting
that. I don't know what we would do in Oklahoma
without those large silos of grain and soybeans
that ring the city and which even just before
harvest will typically have enough product in them
to feed the state the basic ration we devised.

Bob Waldrop
www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rafael Schouten" <talktoraf@hotmail.com>
To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Pre-design for
collapse


Hi Robert,

the collapse workshop is a great idea, inspired
me to organise one in
melbourne in the next few weeks. Any ideas for
form, content etc? what worked?
cheers

Rafael Schouten



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