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  • From: "Eugene F. Monaco" <efmonaco@comcast.net>
  • To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: RE: [permaculture] Re: Honey locust trees
  • Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:11:27 -0600

Maybe the trees were doing their job of keeping livestock and others off the
land so it could heal.
-Gene Monaco

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[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Joanne Murray
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:44 AM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [permaculture] Re: Honey locust trees

Dear Paul,
Bill Mollison planted 6 honey locust trees at a place called Whytalibah
in the Great Dividing Range in NSW several years ago. It has become an
environmental disaster, destroying acres of land and infesting large
areas of the Mann River banks. The original trees were thornless but
all the ones that grew from seeds and suckers (which extended metres
underground) were covered with the most evil, lethal thorns, making the
whole area inaccessible and even hazardous for stock. The government
is spending tens of thousands of dollars in control programs; the only
way to eradicate them is with injection guns and poison and then
bulldozers and huge fires. The thorns are literally lethal. I really
wouldn't reccommend planting any at all unless you are 100% positive
that they reproduce to give only the thornless type in your area.
Yours sincerely, Joanne Murray

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I'm interested in buying a hundred honey locust trees for my
permaculture farm. I would
> like to find trees that appear to be heavy pod producers to help feed
cattle, chickens,
> pigs, goats, etc.
>
> My understanding is that the pods will only form on female trees.
I'm guessing that
> without a male tree nearby, even the female would be podless.
>
> I'm having a hard time finding a supplier of honey locusts that are
savvy to the tree
> gender. Anybody have a source?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:01:25 -0700
> From: Bill McDorman <bm@seedsave.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: "paul@richsoil.com, permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <BDAAA0B5.4D65%bm@seedsave.org>
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>
> Did you try Bear Creek Nursery? Smartest folks I have spoken to.
>
> BearCreek@plix.com
>
> Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees, edible
> landscaping, and more.
> P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-
4417
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill McDorman
>
>
>
> > From: Paul Wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> > Reply-To: paul@richsoil.com, permaculture
<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> >
> > I'm interested in buying a hundred honey locust trees for my
permaculture
> > farm. I would
> > like to find trees that appear to be heavy pod producers to help
feed cattle,
> > chickens,
> > pigs, goats, etc.
> >
> > My understanding is that the pods will only form on female trees.
I'm
> > guessing that
> > without a male tree nearby, even the female would be podless.
> >
> > I'm having a hard time finding a supplier of honey locusts that are
savvy to
> > the tree
> > gender. Anybody have a source?
> > _______________________________________________
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> > permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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> >
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:25:15 -0600
> From: David Neeley <dbneeley@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Re: permaculture Digest, Vol 21, Issue 37
> To: "dwoodard@becon.org" <dwoodard@becon.org>
> Cc: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <e86e45c104103117255ff50ce2@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> The windspeed to reach rated power can vary greatly depending upon the
> design. Engineers I have spoken with have told me that it depends upon
> the various normal windspeeds for a given location, as well as the
> size and design of the generator.
>
> The large, German one is rated at 5MW @14.5 mph, or so the article I
> read about it said.Of course, its blades are 126 meters in swept
> diameter and weigh many tons each, so that may have a part in it as
> well...plus it is built in a land-based site, so the average windspeed
> may be a significant factor in its design.
>
> As an aside, I lived for some years in Corpus Christi, Texas, on the
> coast of the Gulf of Mexico. I hope there will be a windfarm developed
> down there--for Corpus Christi is the city of highest windspeed in the
> U.S. There, a ten mile per hour breeze is usually unnoticed by the
> residents because it is so much gentler than the frequently
> faster-blowing gusts. If I were to find suitable employment down
> there, I would be shopping for a personal-sized wind turbine very soon
> thereafter...
>
> David
>
>
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:49:35 -0400 (EDT), dwoodard@becon.org
> <dwoodard@becon.org> wrote:
> > Rated power of wind turbines is usually obtained at around 27-35
mph,
> > depending on the design. The largest turbines are usually intended
for
> > offshore use and the higher windspeeds.
> >
> > Power varies as the cube of the windspeed.
> >
> > Doug Woodard
> > St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:48:04 -0500
> From: Keith Johnson <keithdj@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <41865AB4.2080700@mindspring.com>
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> Last I heard, Bear Creek had gone out of business. If they're
back ,
> I'd like to know.
> Otherwise, I recommend that you check out the alternates at
> Permaculture Activist's Nursery page
>
> http://www.permacultureactivist.net/nurseries/PlntNursrys.htm
>
> keith
>
> Bill McDorman wrote:
>
> >Did you try Bear Creek Nursery? Smartest folks I have spoken to.
> >
> >BearCreek@plix.com
> >
> >Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees, edible
> >landscaping, and more.
> >P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-
4417
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >Bill McDorman
> >
> >
> --
> Keith Johnson
> Permaculture Activist Magazine
> PO Box 1209
> Black Mountain, NC 28711
> (828)669-6336
>
> also Patterns for Abundance Design & Consulting
> Culture's Edge at Earthaven Ecovillage
> http://www.permacultureactivist.net
> http://www.earthaven.org
> http://www.bioregionalcongress.org
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:08:42 -0400
> From: Jay Woods <woodsjay@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <200411011008.42300.woodsjay@cox.net>
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>
> I had also heard that they were out of business. It is certainly the
case that
> the email address can not be reached by me.
>
> On Monday 01 November 2004 10:48 am, Keith Johnson wrote:
> > Last I heard, Bear Creek had gone out of business. If they're
back ,
> > I'd like to know.
> > Otherwise, I recommend that you check out the alternates at
> > Permaculture Activist's Nursery page
> >
> > http://www.permacultureactivist.net/nurseries/PlntNursrys.htm
> >
> > keith
> >
> > Bill McDorman wrote:
> > >Did you try Bear Creek Nursery? Smartest folks I have spoken to.
> > >
> > >BearCreek@plix.com
> > >
> > >Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees,
edible
> > >landscaping, and more.
> > >P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-
4417
> > >
> > >---------------------------------------------------------------
> > >Bill McDorman
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:18:08 -0400
> From: Jay Woods <woodsjay@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] honey locust trees
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <200411011018.08616.woodsjay@cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On a more helpful basis (than my writing that the email address is no
good),
> IMHO seedless (male) honey locust trees are propagated not from seed
but by
> cuttings. There are no markers that will indicate which trees are
female
> until they start setting seed. You could propagate from cuttings, by
> stooling, or from roots. You could also overplant from seed (by a
factor of
> two) and rogue 90% of the males (as soon as they express that trait).
>
> On Monday 01 November 2004 10:48 am, Keith Johnson wrote:
> > Last I heard, Bear Creek had gone out of business. If they're
back ,
> > I'd like to know.
> > Otherwise, I recommend that you check out the alternates at
> > Permaculture Activist's Nursery page
> >
> > http://www.permacultureactivist.net/nurseries/PlntNursrys.htm
> >
> > keith
> >
> > Bill McDorman wrote:
> > >Did you try Bear Creek Nursery? Smartest folks I have spoken to.
> > >
> > >BearCreek@plix.com
> > >
> > >Bear Creek Nursery - 250 Antique apples, fruit and nut trees,
edible
> > >landscaping, and more.
> > >P.O. Box 411, Northport, WA 99157. Tel: 509-732-6219, Fax: 509-732-
4417
> > >
> > >---------------------------------------------------------------
> > >Bill McDorman
>
>
>
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