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  • From: "GlobalCirclenet" <webmaster@globalcircle.net>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] The future of sustainable agriculture
  • Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:09:51 -0700


That's the most important thing we can do here and now, wherever we are.
THAT is real permaculture. Thank you. Please do add me to that Eco Ag list.


You said:
>My take is to ignore and avoid all aspects of "agribusiness and fiat money
>investment capitalism
>that props it up" and spend whatever time, money and energy that might be
>wasted opposing them on
>developing, stabilizing and preserving independent community based food
>production networks and associated niche markets
>consisting of farmers markets, csa's, coop-sca'a, farmer's market-food
>coop-coop csa-csa's, food coops and neighborhood food buying clubs
>and any other marketing method that is appropriate, efficient and
>economically stable. Also farmer's buying cooperatives and farmer's
>marketing cooperatives (both of which can be integrated with the
>aforementioned marketing options.

herb@largocreekfarms.com

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On 1/27/2004 at 3:15 PM Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

>GlobalCirclenet wrote:
>> Absolutely a valid consideration, isn't it.
>Yes #1
> > Especially for commercial operations?
>Yes #2
>> I'd venture that pollen drift would be less likely in separated
>> individual or community gardens than large commercial field operations
>near
>> other growers or growing other varieties that might be GMO contaminated.
>Yes #3
>> Which would argue further for grow your own.
>Emphatically Yes#4
>> There's probably some chance
>> of drift contamination in seed being sold now, but if it's going to get
>> more widespread I'd get into serious seed saving with heirloom varieties
>> from small isolated growers.
>Yes #5
>> Heirlooms aren't newly bred varieties, and if
>> they appear to breed true from seed then my guess is they wouldn't be
>> comtaminated, would they?
>I would not think so but periodic spot checking for gmo dna might be a
>good idea.
>> I wonder if a new market will develop for
>> organic seed produced on geographically isolated farms with no chance of
>> GMO contamination.
>I would certainlyhope so and would think that would be inevitable.
>Operations of this type should develop a niche market
>as a grower network who are regular customers who could check for genotype
>(?) consistency. Johnny's is a good example of
>a seed business with a large reliable customer base. I would think they
>would be on the front line in preserving non-gmo seeds.
>
>> As for the dominance of agribusiness and fiat money investment
capitalism
>> that props it up, I don't see what we can do without a complete collapse
>of
>> the industrial agriculture system. Which may be coming. What's your take
>on
>> this?
>
>My take is to ignore and avoid all aspects of "agribusiness and fiat money
>investment capitalism
>that props it up" and spend whatever time, money and energy that might be
>wasted opposing them on
>developing, stabilizing and preserving independent community based food
>production networks and associated niche markets
>consisting of farmers markets, csa's, coop-sca'a, farmer's market-food
>coop-coop csa-csa's, food coops and neighborhood food buying clubs
>and any other marketing method that is appropriate, efficient and
>economically stable. Also farmer's buying cooperatives and farmer's
>marketing cooperatives (both of which can be integrated with the
>aforementioned marketing options. Restaurants will buy from coop-csa's.
>There are many variations to use to arrive at creative solutions for
>farmer and consumer.
>
>> herb@largocreekfarms.com
>
>First, thanks for your input to this forum, Herb, glad you subscribed. We
>need more of this sort of discussion.
>I've started another list for pure eco agriculture and associated
>activism, ecoag. Maybe you'll join this and help
>discussion along. Its a good place. Go here to subscribe or let me know &
>I'll subscribe you myself:
>http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/ecoag
>Here's a little from the list's web interface:
><+>
>Ecological Agriculture
>
>Locally grown produce for local sales within a marketing system that
>honors fair play, fair pricing and equal access
>to market resources by all growers using production methods that rely on
>natural materials with minimal external inputs within systems that
>respect nature
>and natural processes and ensure the highest possible quality and safety
>of food products grown by that operation for sale to customers.
>
>Within a local food production network customers are within easy reach of
>the growers, whom they can get to know and whose farms they
>can visit so they can decide for themselves whether that operation meets
>their own standards and whether they want to do business with them.
><+>
>
>
>
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>http://market-farming.com
>http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech
>
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