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  • From: "T'mi Finkle" <tfinkle@erols.com>
  • To: "'Mounted search and rescue'" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [MSAR] Mounted search on White Sands National Monument
  • Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:05:11 -0500

In this region we do search at night from horseback.  We add a third horse to a field team and mostly perform area and hasty searches.  Another good use for MSAR to is post a 2-person MSAR team on a high point, containment point or at trail crossing and use them as passive search techniques .  If something moves the horses will alert on the movement. 

 

We use red or green lights at night; both of these colors greatly reduce visible shadows (I’ve never used orange filters for night searching).  We only use white light for treating first aid subjects at night. Our MSAR teams deployed at night during the Robbie Wood search in Doswell VA back this past October.

 

 With regards to evidence, not all clues are evidence and at night we are focusing on clues that lead us to the emission person.  We do not search at night when a mission goes from rescue to recovery.

 

T’mi

www.trotsar.org

 


From: msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of emboote@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:59 PM
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Mounted search on White Sands National Monument

 

How do you address with the concern about destroying evidence or missing evidence at night? Do you find a grid search is effective, or smaller teams, or most effectively used as a hasty search team?

 

I've found that for night work, using orange or green filters on my headlight helps....also on the flashlights. They can flip up if I need white lights, but otherwise, don't blind those I'm working with. 

 

Emily

-----Original Message-----
From: IRVIN LICHTENSTEIN <ilichten1@verizon.net>
To: 'Mounted search and rescue' <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Mounted search on White Sands National Monument

Searching at night is like searching during the day, usually cooler and there may be more convective air movement to make it easier for the scent based search animals.

The basic problem for the searcher is night adaption and avoiding flash blindness.  You do not want to use lights because they can ruin night adaptation and startle the

Horses due to creating “monsters” with shadows and sudden movement.  It does not take a lot of light for you and your horse to function at night. The other advantages are

that many search persons knock off for the night giving you a cleaner area to work and most civilians are out of the area after dark.

Based on exercises and jobs night riding is no more dangerous than day riding if you keep the flashlights off and let the horse do the guiding.

 

Irv Lichtenstein

SE PA SAR

 


From: msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of emboote@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 4:19 PM
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Mounted search on White Sands National Monument

 

Una

Would you please expand on your experiences of seaching with mounted resources at night? That has been a topic recently between several of our units and we would like to know more about what your experiences have been. 

Thanks, 

Emily Boote 
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