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  • From: "Irvin Lichtenstein" <ilichten1@verizon.net>
  • To: "'Mounted search and rescue'" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [MSAR] Why PSARC?
  • Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:30:49 -0500

SE PA SAR is not listed on the PSARC site because only members in good
standing are listed and allowed to link to their pages.
When I helped found the PA SAR Council (c1984) it was to be a mutual aid
association, just an exchange of training dates and call out data and to
support statewide uniform training programs.

Today they have gotten into non-voluntary, non-consensus, standards, and
require each unit to be represented at a meeting about 4 hours travel from
us at least four times a year. They also want a great deal of personal
information about each member that is not public under PA Law, namely
training transcripts with member names on them.

There are more non-member teams in the state than are members we believe and
we are not sure that joining would do any good besides getting calls to
cover teams 300 miles away, or being called to a search that the AHJ has
suspended. Both of which have happened in the past. One of their "leaders"
was the one who got wilderness SAR defined as EMS in the new state EMS law
by the way, without asking anybody.

The locator map has been around since the beginning when the SAR coordinator
for PA DCNR started sticking pins in a map of the state. PEMA keeps a
resource list, not always up to date, for various county level EOC's
to call upon. There are at least two computerized resource systems in use,
Knowledgeware (all 5 counties in our primary), and a PC-IC system the state
uses. You may want to spend the time to verify the call outs numbers. In the
past few were to PSAPS, and their 800 number went to a hospital helicopter
control room. I have also not seen anything about whether they kept up the
statewide radio channel license or what they plan to do about narrow
banding.

Irv Lichtenstein

-----Original Message-----
From: msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:msar-riders-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Una Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:11 PM
To: Mounted search and rescue
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Making contacts

Irv, how come SEPASAR isn't listed on the PSARC site? I see one team
is listed without any link.[2] Not super useful, but it does help readers
discover that the team exists. I really like the PSARC team locator
map.[3] It labels the map with each team's name and phone number.

Una Smith
New Mexico

[1] http://www.nmesc.org/resources.htm
[2]
http://www.psarc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=36&Itemid=
15
[3] http://www.psarc.org/images/Team%20Map.pdf

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