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  • From: Mia Garlick <mia AT creativecommons.org>
  • To: Discussion on the Creative Commons license drafts <cc-licenses AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [cc-licenses] Dumping CC-BY-NC-ND and Narrowing CC-BY-ND
  • Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:47:55 -0700

just to follow up on an earlier question that i didn't respond to that seems to be relevant to the debate here - in terms of the license v. contract debate, i don't think there is an official cc position. opinions differ and the relevant one will be the courts when the argument is made...

On Apr 26, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Terry Hancock wrote:

Peter Brink wrote:

Well put Harry,

Just one minor point...

Terry Hancock skrev:
That is the standard of ordinary "All Rights Reserved" works, and
the ND clause preserves that standard (it cannot, IMHO, extend it --
under copyright law, the author does not own what is not (in the
legal sense) *derived* from their work, hence they have no ownership
authority to impose such requirements).


One party can always agree (under the freedom of contract) to treat an
adaptation of a work as a "derivative work" even if it really isn't.
Thus, in theory, an open source/content license could actually extend
the scope of the legal concept "derivative works". However such an
extension would only affect those bound by the contract, third parties
are still (of course) unaffected.


Well, that raises the legal question of whether a CC license
is a "license" or a "contract" -- again. ;-)

Mia Garlick says it's a contract, Eben Moglen says it can't be
(the same conditions apply as for the GPL). Ms. Garlick
represents CC, though.

Personally, I think it's a bad idea to start thinking of any of
these licenses as "contracts". Anyway, even if they are, IIRC,
there's some language in there that specifically limits the
scope to the existing scope of copyright law.

Yep, here it is. Taken from the "Legal Code" for the By-NC-ND:

"""
*2. Fair Use Rights.* Nothing in this license is intended to reduce,
limit, or restrict any rights arising from fair use, first sale or other
limitations on the exclusive rights of the copyright owner under
copyright law or other applicable laws.
"""

Cheers,
Terry

--
Terry Hancock (hancock AT AnansiSpaceworks.com)
Anansi Spaceworks http://www.AnansiSpaceworks.com


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