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  • From: Charles Mok <charlespmok AT gmail.com>
  • To: Kathy Kleiman <Kathy AT kathykleiman.com>, Ying Chan <yychan AT hku.hk>, Rebecca MacKinnon <rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com>, Charles Mok <mok AT isoc.hk>, Ka Ping Wong <ping AT isoc.hk>, cc-hk <cc-hk AT lists.ibiblio.org>, Doreen Weisenhaus <doreen AT hku.hk>, asmartlawyer <asmartlawyer AT 126.com>
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-hk] ICANN Consultation@HK: The Future of the Internet's Naming Systems (ISOC-HK) 24 July
  • Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:27:20 +0800

I can try but our panel is on internet governance and asia. And just
the last and only panel at end of day. Will need some comments from
floor. Anyway...

On 7/20/09, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy AT kathykleiman.com> wrote:
> Charles,
> As moderator, can you share your concerns about the IRT? The moderators
> in NYC and London were two members of the IRT Committee, and they were
> quite clear about their support for the IRT. Would it be appropriate
> for you, similarly, to introduce any concerns you might have for the IRT
> Report and its impact on noncommercial domain name registration, impact
> on IDNs and the unfair implications of extending US/European trademarks
> into translation and transliteration of other languages?
>
> I am glad you will be upfront!
> Best,
> Kathy
>
>> Hong I understand will try to write in something or have someone help
>> her read her comments, since she will be in BJ and not HK.
>>
>> I will be the moderator and the co-host so I will need someone to say
>> these things.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Charles
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Kathy Kleiman
>> <Kathy AT kathykleiman.com <mailto:Kathy AT kathykleiman.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Charles, Ying, and Jack,
>> I am so glad you can attend the ICANN meeting on Friday. What can
>> I do to assist you? The IRT Report is lengthy and difficult (on
>> purpose, to make it difficult to criticize).
>>
>> In Sydney, since we had only a few minutes at the microphones,
>> everyone took a difference piece -- and expressed their concerns
>> based on the work of their organization. One group criticized the
>> IP Clearinghouse, another the Globally Protected Marks List,
>> another the URS (too rapid take-down system for domain names). We
>> also referenced NCUC's general deep concerns about the other issues.
>>
>> Please feel free to share ideas, and I am happy to assist with
>> editing, links or examples. Like Sydney, you will only have about
>> 2-3 minutes at the microphone. Having a short written statement
>> worked well for me (NYC) and Konstantinos (London).
>>
>> Rebecca has done a wonderful job laying out (and writing) key
>> documents below. I have a few more....
>>
>> 1) The outstanding comments of Leslie, Guan Yuanyuan (Legal
>> Supervisor, China Organizational Name Administration Center).
>> These comments analyze and compare Chinese trademark law and US
>> trademark law. They argue that the IRT "ignores the difference in
>> state's jurisdictions, ignores the protection of domain name
>> registrant's rights, and with the paranoiac and simple intention
>> protects the rights of trademark holders" (from closing comment).
>> Leslie gave terrific speeches in Sydney and you will like these
>> comments! -- at
>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00129.html
>>
>> I have copied her above.
>>
>> 2) The strong comment of Dr. Hong Xue, Chinese Domain Name Users
>> Alliance, and her opposition to the IP Clearinghouse and Globally
>> Protected Marks List because: "ICANN, in its limited technical
>> coordination role as declared in its mission, has absolutely no
>> authority to create any international or even global law to change
>> the territorial nature of trademark rights. What is recommended by
>> IRT is to set up a private ordering through ICANN DNS governance
>> to create a de facto global enforcement for trademarks,
>> irrespective of legal limits of trademark protection."
>>
>> Hong's full comment is at
>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/irt-final-report/msg00138.html
>>
>> 3) My speech in NYC is posted on YouTube at
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgUC869bTVM (please let me know if
>> you would like the text).
>>
>> Good luck in HK!
>> Best,
>> Kathy
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Ying and Jack!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Ying Chan <yychan AT hku.hk
>>> <mailto:yychan AT hku.hk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll sign up and could be there for at least half-a-day
>>> Thanks for the reminder
>>>
>>> Ying
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Charles Mok
>>> <charlespmok AT gmail.com <mailto:charlespmok AT gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not many from CC-HK signed up for the event yet. Most
>>> are from regional registries/registrars and legal and
>>> business communities and there may not be enough ones
>>> there to speak on the civil society concerns. So I hope
>>> more of you can come. Pls register asap. Thanks.
>>>
>>> charles
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Rebecca MacKinnon
>>> <rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there Charles,
>>>
>>> For those from the non-commercial sector and free
>>> culture/free speech components, you may want to pass
>>> around a few materials. The non-commercial
>>> constituency at ICANN is strongly opposed to the IRT
>>> proposal for trademark protection on both substantive
>>> and procedural grounds. Details via the following two
>>> links:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-substantive-comments-on
>>>
>>> http://ncdnhc.org/profiles/blogs/ncucs-procedural-comments-on
>>>
>>> Also note that I wrote a blog post recently about
>>> free speech and ICANN:
>>>
>>> http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/icann-and-free-speech.html
>>>
>>> ..and about China's re-engagement with ICANN for the
>>> first time in many years:
>>>
>>> http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2009/07/china-icann-thoughts-from-former-ceo-paul-twomey.html
>>>
>>> I'm copying Kathy Kleiman from the NCUC who led the
>>> effort against the IRT in New York and who I'm sure
>>> will be happy to provide more details.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rebecca
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Charles Mok
>>> <charlespmok AT gmail.com
>>> <mailto:charlespmok AT gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Friends,
>>>
>>> Please register if you have not already. Only
>>> less than a week to go before the first ICANN
>>> event in Hong Kong. Speakers info below...
>>>
>>> Registration:
>>> http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
>>>
>>> Charles Mok
>>> ISOC-HK
>>>
>>> If you can't see the image below, please click
>>> here. <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
>>> Pre-Register Now at:
>>> http://www.registration123.com/ICANN/GTLD/
>>>
>>> icann-newtld-hk.jpg
>>> <http://www.isoc-hk.org/icann-newtld/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rebecca MacKinnon
>>> Open Society Fellow | Co-founder, GlobalVoicesOnline.org
>>> Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies
>>> Centre, University of Hong Kong
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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