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  • From: Ben <chpapa AT gmail.com>
  • To: "Mike Linksvayer" <ml AT creativecommons.org>
  • Cc: Peter Yu <peter_yu AT msn.com>, cc-hk AT lists.ibiblio.org, ying chan <yychan AT hku.hk>
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-hk] welcome to the public discussion!
  • Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:39:40 +0800

I agree. We need some input from the legal side of this community to
help us on get in touch with legal communities about the draft.

I had forwarded to some people in open/free software community and I
know some HK wikipedians is on this mailing list too, hey~ any thought
from you guys? :-)

Ben

On Jan 4, 2008 2:07 AM, Mike Linksvayer <ml AT creativecommons.org> wrote:
> Pindar's suggestion warms my heart. Two groups to reach out to are local
> Wikipedians and Debian developers.
>
>
> Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:
> > Pindar, thanks. This strategic suggestion makes a tremendous amount of
> > sense. We should identify the groups who need to be alerted to the
> > license draft and we should make sure that we invite them to comment.
> >
> > Perhaps some of the lawyers our CC-HK email group would like to help us
> > formulate a list?
> >
> > Seems like it would make sense also to reach out to the various faculty
> > who do IP law at various universities?
> >
> > Would somebody like to volunteer to spearhead legal community outreach?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Rebecca
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Mr. Pindar Wong wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Everyone and Happy New Year to you all,
> >>
> >> From my perspective, I agree with the notion of having a planned media
> >> strategy and it appears to me that generating +ve input into the
> >> porting process to 'improve'
> >>
> >> 1) the quality and legal robustness of the output w.r.t. the existing
> >> HKCO
> >> 2) (perhaps more importantly) generate the necessary
> >> 'buy-in/ownership' from HK's Legal IP community - both existing and
> >> future
> >>
> >> would perhaps be a good use of the time before the official launch.
> >>
> >> Certainly expectations of the wider non-IP community need to be
> >> managed as part of the wider media plan, and this could certainly
> >> proceed in parallel, but I would argue that the official launch should
> >> not come as a surprise to, say, groups like the HK Law Society's
> >> Working Group on IP(?) or the HK Govt's IPD.
> >>
> >> We certainly don't want such groups appearing ignorant or working
> >> against us because we've not sought their opinion/contribution/wise
> >> counsel. Similar outreach efforts could focus on the next generation
> >> of IP lawyers via the universities/law firms and perhaps having a
> >> press release which focusses on surfacing and resolving any technical
> >> legal issues arising from the draft would be sufficient, timely and
> >> self-limiting.
> >>
> >> Therefore, to my short-sited eyes it appears to me that an element of
> >> a media strategy could be
> >>
> >> 1) Before the official launch - largely focus on minimizing 'surprise'
> >> 2) After the official launch - focus would largely shift from
> >> 'minimizing surprise' to 'maximizing uptake i.e. use' ;)
> >>
> >> Perhaps those closer to the IP community can suggest a hit-list of 10
> >> groups which, 'must not be surprised by the arrival of the HK-version
> >> of 3.0 license'.
> >>
> >> m2c.
> >>
> >> p.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Ben, I think your concerns about the media are very
> >>> well-founded. :) We also don't want to create a situation where many
> >>> media do their CC-HK stories before the launch, and then lose
> >>> interest in doing another story around the launch itself because they
> >>> already did one earlier... You are absolutely right that we should
> >>> plan our media strategy so that we have the capacity to properly
> >>> handle the queries received as a result of publicity.
> >>>
> >>> We have a little budget here to secure a domain name if that's ok
> >>> with CC-international..
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Rebecca
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 3, 2008 3:28 PM, Ben < chpapa AT gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:chpapa AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I always think it is a good idea to promote CC in Hong Kong at
> >>> anytime
> >>> :-) Since we've now entered the public discussion of draft, I think
> >>> setting up a site for queries and public information make sense if
> >>> we
> >>> want to make those keep track of but don't have the time to explore
> >>> the wiki get involved.
> >>>
> >>> Some community members had mentioned that we should register
> >>> creativecommons.org.hk <http://creativecommons.org.hk> ASAP when
> >>> it is still available, maybe it is a
> >>> good chance to do that if there are some budget? (That's HKD $200
> >>> for
> >>> a one year contract)
> >>>
> >>> Although CCi suggested that the tradition of not having a lot of
> >>> publicity before launch is changing, I'm a bit worried for a press
> >>> release, which may result in some misleading press coverage, maybe
> >>> someone will write a story to say that CC-HK was launched while
> >>> actually it is not? (Most of the news reporters from local newspaper
> >>> don't know wikimedia and wikipedia is not identical until I tried
> >>> very
> >>> hard to correct them in my experience -_-)
> >>>
> >>> Instead of a simple press release, Rebecca's idea of designating
> >>> individuals or companies who uses Creative Commons for interview
> >>> would
> >>> work better as I think it is more possible to have a in-depth talk
> >>> with the reporter to make sure the report contains correct
> >>> information.
> >>>
> >>> Just my personal observation and worries, I'm in a email thread with
> >>> top journalism professionals so please correct me or make other
> >>> suggestions. :-)
> >>>
> >>> Ben
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 3, 2008 2:10 PM, Rebecca MacKinnon
> >>> <rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:rebecca.mackinnon AT gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> > OK thanks. I guess probably the best thing to do is for the
> >>> JMSC to create a
> >>> > bilingual information page about CC-HK on our own website which
> >>> we can
> >>> > direct local press queries to, and then take it from there with
> >>> a press
> >>> > release and so forth once we are ready. Before doing a press
> >>> release I'd
> >>> > love to be able to designate people, companies, and projects
> >>> around HK who
> >>> > are already using the unported CC licenses or who are advocates
> >>> of CC in
> >>> > various ways, who would be interested in speaking to
> >>> journalists about why
> >>> > CC is good for them. Seems like our cc-hk wiki is a good place
> >>> to develop
> >>> > that initial list?
> >>> >
> >>> > Cheers,
> >>> > Rebecca
> >>> >
> >>> > On Jan 3, 2008 2:05 PM, Mike Linksvayer <
>
> >>> ml AT creativecommons.org <mailto:ml AT creativecommons.org>> wrote:
> >>> > > Traditionally there has not been much publicity around the
> >>> stages of
> >>> > > porting prior to actual launch, but we're trying to change
> >>> that. I
> >>> > > suspect Michelle Thorne from CCi will be doing a CC blog post
> >>> about the
> >>> > > beginning of CC HK public discussions, but any other
> >>> publicity would be
> >>> > > welcome, as far as I'm concerned.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On the licenses I defer to Catharina (and I defer to her on
> >>> the above,
> >>> > > if she disagrees!)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Mike
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Rebecca MacKinnon wrote:
> >>> > > > Thanks Catharina! This is very exciting. I look forward to
> >>> seeing the
> >>> > > > feedback from people on this list.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > One question: how much general publicity about the public
> >>> discussion is
> >>> > > > customary for CC projects at this stage? Some questions
> >>> have arisen here
> >>> > > > at the JMSC about whether we should issue a press release.
> >>> I had been
> >>> > > > under the impression that this phase of public discussion
> >>> is largely for
> >>> > > > people who know something about IP law and/or who are
> >>> already familiar
> >>> > > > with CC, but please correct me if I am wrong about this.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Questions have also arisen here about whether and when we
> >>> should
> >>> > > > translate these materials into Chinese sooner than later
> >>> given that some
> >>> > > > parts of our core target community may feel excluded by an
> >>> English-only
> >>> > > > discussion. I know that in August it was decided we should
> >>> do the
> >>> > > > English license first since it's valid in Hong Kong law
> >>> then do the
> >>> > > > Chinese language translation later. I also know that Yahong
> >>> and Alice do
> >>> > > > not have the time to do the translation on their own. Any
> >>> suggestions or
> >>> > > > thoughts from anybody out there?
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Cheers,
> >>> > > > Rebecca
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > On Jan 3, 2008 5:21 AM, Catharina Maracke <
> >>> catharina AT creativecommons.org <mailto:catharina AT creativecommons.org>
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > <mailto:catharina AT creativecommons.org
>
> >>> <mailto:catharina AT creativecommons.org> >> wrote:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Dear all!
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Welcome to the discussion of the Creative Commons
> >>> license for Hong
> >>> > > > Kong! You will find the draft including some comments
> >>> of the
> >>> > > > substantial legal changes here:
> >>> > > > _http://creativecommons.org/international/hk/_
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > I would like to take this opportunity and thank Dr.
> >>> Yahong Li, Alice
> >>> > > > Lee (Legal Project Leads) and Rebecca MacKinnon (Public
> >>> Project
> >>> > > > Lead) for their wonderful work and effort on this project.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Please feel free to review, comment, and make
> >>> suggestions to things
> >>> > > > that will help the licenses comply with Hong Kong law.
> >>> The role of
> >>> > > > the discussion is to start the public debate and to
> >>> make the least
> >>> > > > amount of changes necessary to bring the license into
> >>> accord with
> >>> > > > Hong Kong law. Also, please feel free to ask general
> >>> questions about
> >>> > > > the Creative Commons licenses in the cc-mailing list:
> >>> > > > _http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-licenses_
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Part of the fun of this discussion will be, I hope,
> >>> that we get to
> >>> > > > compare the quirks and eccentricities of our respective
> >>> nations'
> >>> > > > copyright laws.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > We expect the archived discussions to serve as a
> >>> history of this
> >>> > > > experience. That way, your input will continue be
> >>> useful to anyone
> >>> > > > from any country even after the discussion for Hong
> >>> Kong is
> >>> > completed.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > I am very much looking forward to a fruitful and open
> >>> discussion!
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Thank you very much.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > All the best,
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > Catharina
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > ..
> >>> > > >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> ............................................................................
> >>> > > > Dr. Catharina Maracke
> >>> > > > Director, Creative Commons International
> >>> > > > Gipsstrasse 12
> >>> > > > 10119 Berlin
> >>> > > > Phone: +49-30-28 09 39 09
> >>> > > > Fax: +49-30-28 09 39 10
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
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> >>> <mailto:Cc-hk AT lists.ibiblio.org>>
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-hk
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > --
> >>> > > > Rebecca MacKinnon
> >>> > > > Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies Ctr.
> >>> > > > University of Hong Kong ( http://jmsc.hku.hk)
> >>> > > > E-mail: rmack AT hku.hk <mailto:rmack AT hku.hk> <mailto:
> >>> rmack AT hku.hk <mailto:rmack AT hku.hk>> | Tel: +852-2219-4005
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > Blog: http://RConversation.blogs.com
> >>> > > > Co-founder: http://GlobalVoicesOnline.org
> >>> > > > "The world is talking. Are you listening?"
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Rebecca MacKinnon
> >>> > Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies Ctr.
> >>> > University of Hong Kong (http://jmsc.hku.hk)
> >>> > E-mail: rmack AT hku.hk <mailto:rmack AT hku.hk> | Tel: +852-2219-4005
> >>> > Blog: http://RConversation.blogs.com
> >>> > Co-founder: http://GlobalVoicesOnline.org
> >>> <http://GlobalVoicesOnline.org>
> >>> > "The world is talking. Are you listening?"
> >>> > _______________________________________________
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> >>> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-hk
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Ben Cheng
> >>> Mobile: 93816083
> >>> Email: ben AT bencheng.net <mailto:ben AT bencheng.net>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Rebecca MacKinnon
> >>> Assistant Professor, Journalism & Media Studies Ctr.
> >>> University of Hong Kong (http://jmsc.hku.hk)
> >>> E-mail: rmack AT hku.hk <mailto:rmack AT hku.hk> | Tel: +852-2219-4005
> >>> Blog: http://RConversation.blogs.com <http://RConversation.blogs.com>
> >>> Co-founder: http://GlobalVoicesOnline.org
> >>> "The world is talking. Are you listening?"
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >
>



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