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  • From: Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com>
  • To: K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Different binyan, same meaning?
  • Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 20:22:27 +0200

So, and putting aside this verse (Ecc 9:12), is it right to state that in a
general way there is NO difference between the Qal passive Participle and
the Niph'al Participle concerning their meanings?

Pere Porta

2012/7/5 K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>

> Pere:
>
> Both are passive participles. This is also poetry. In practice, there is
> no real difference between the two. The author could very well have chosen
> the different forms with essentially the same meaning to fit his meter of
> poetry.
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Pere Porta <pporta7 AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In Ecc 9:12 we have a niph'al participle concerning fishes caught in the
>> net and we have a qal passive participle concerning birds caught in the
>> trap.
>> Namely we have "(she)neeHazym" and "(ha)aHuzot" respectively.
>>
>> What might the author intend to tell the reader by using these two
>> different binyanim in two facts that are quite similar, quite parallel:
>> fishes are caught in a net... birds are caught in a trap? In both
>> someone put the net and the trap in action... and its resulting issue is
>> the same: the fish is caught and the bird is caught...
>>
>> Is there in this verse a real different nuance of meaning between the two
>> binyanim?
>> Had Qohelet inverted the binyanim and written "(ha)aHuzym" for fishes and
>> "(she)neeHazot" for birds, would the sense of the verse have been the same
>> as that of the current text we find and read in our Hebrew bibles?
>>
>> Is there a true difference in the meaning of the two sentences (the
>> current
>> one and the imagined one)?
>> --
>> Pere Porta
>> (Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)
>>
>>


--
Pere Porta




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