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  • From: "Eric Sandall" <eric AT sandall.us>
  • To: <sm-grimoire AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Grimoire]Unfiled spells
  • Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:53:34 -0700 (PDT)

Andrew Stitt said:
> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 09:55:00AM -0700, Eric Sandall wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I'm not sure how to approach this, so I will just say it. For
>> Grimoire Gurus whom do not add spells after a certain amount of time
>> (say, 2 weeks?) to their section after submition, should/can another
>> guru add that spell (after testing and making sure the format is
>> correct, of course) to the appropriate section? The reason I ask is
>> we seem to be getting a backlog of new spells in certain areas. If I
>> were a new user whom submitted a spell I liked and just got ignored
>> for some time (I've been ignored for several months, myself), then I'd
>> be pretty put out with the whole SM distribution.
>>
> well a while back there was some 'discussion' of opening up the grimoire
> so we could work on each others sections, i dont remember there ever
> really being a definite conclusion to this. Perhaps its time there is.
>
> How many active guru's do we have? by active i mean, subscribed to
> sm-spell-submit and will add a spell when its submitted (assuming it
> works or they can make it work). We arent going to make it if most
> sections are maintained by someone who is out in left field, not adding
> spells or version bumping. So perhaps we need to find out who is
> actually helping out, trim down the hurd and open up the grimoire to the
> remaining Gurus?
>
> Im the ham maintainer, and theres not much interest in my section that
> ive noticed, so im kind of in the dumb position of 'well im a
> maintainer...but no one really uses my section' id much rather be able
> to do other random stuff from time to time outside my section.
>
> personally i think that our main weak point is not having enough
> spells. we are going 1.0 in less then two months and have 1500 spells,
> thats good and 200 better then lunar linux, but still thats not much of
> a gap. Gentoo has 2459 packages and debian has 8700, Id like to to see
> sorcery catch up to gentoo in the number of packages. In order to do
> that we need to be more efficient at getting spells added, which isnt
> going to happen if no one is paying attention to their section. Maybe
> just having a dedicated grimoire team is a better solution.

I agree to some extent, in that Grimoire Guru's (GG) should be allowed to
help out another GG's section if they are lagging behind and/or ask for
help (the asking should not really be required if they are more than, say,
two weeks behind in at _least_ responding to requests), but I think we
should still have maintainers for each section. The reason I think we
should still have a maintainer (at least one, anyways) assigned to each
section (and a maintainer can be a GG for more than one section) is so
that people won't be duplicating efforts as much. We don't want two
separate people adding the same spell twice. :) Of course, most of my
latter point is moot since we use SCMs, and once something is done, it's
there for everyone else to see (well, after an update). So I guess what
I'm saying is that the grimoire should at least be opened up so that the
more active maintainers can help out the less active (not that the latter
is a bad maintainer, because RL takes presedence over volunteer work :))
so that we can keep SM the best distro out there.

Now, if we do open up the grimoire (not to just anyone, but other GGs),
then how will we determine who's doing what? If it's a bug in bugzilla,
they can just reassign it to themselves, but what about spell submissions
to sm-spell-submit? I say that before a GG takes on a wayward spell from
sm-spell-submit that they first send a message with the subject starting
as "ITP: <spellname>", with ITP meaning "Intent To Program/Publish"
(similar to Debian's sytem), this way it will not be duplicated.

I also agree with you, Andrew, that we need more spells (though this will
increase the load on the current maintainers) as we don't really have that
many. Some sections have fewer than 25 spells (though others have close
to 100).

-One of Four
a.k.a. sandalle

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