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[Seth Alan Woolley <seth AT positivism.org>]

I'm leaving him off CC as per request...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 12:31:36PM +1000, Hamish Greig wrote:
> Eric Schabell,
> I can understand you feeling personally attacked and wanting to ban me from
> the mail lists. However, you need to remember and accept that this started
> because of all the problems i encountered with you.
> I have never heard you admit to any of them, I saw no evidence that you were
> learning from those mistakes and I definitely didn't see you apologise to 
> all
> the users and developers whose trust and efforts were betrayed during your
> time as Lead. 

He's not project lead anymore.  That doesn't count for anything, I
suppose.  Assuming, hypothetically, if I did everything he's accusing
him of doing, such as giving benefit of the doubt to volunteer seniority
and making a decision for himself without being lambasted into it by a
disgruntled, albiet, contributing individual, I might some sense of
pride in having done it.  Call it sick, call it twisted, but you know
what, it's not a totally flat organization, and, at the same time, it's
got a mix of meritocracy and seniority.  Somebody's got to balance these
aspects, and I'm sure now some people are probably going to be pretty
glad it wasn't Hamish.

> I never got any indication from anyone that your attitude or
> ways had been modified and that the problems would not reoccur. 

Right now I'm betting a lot of people wish some other attitudes changed
in certain other individual(s).

> I never saw
> any official recording of those problems, in the interests of stoppping
> similar from occurring in the future, and everyone knows that if you don't
> learn from history, then the same problems will continue to occur.

Hamish made an official record of it right here on the mailing lists. 
Reorganization followed.  It's not like he's Kenneth Lay; Hamish just
didn't like his style and Schabell had other things to do and probably
got a little bit tired of Hamish in the process as well.  Others didn't
like his style completely either, but you win some, you lose some. 
Would I have done everything Eric did?  I can say definitely not, but
there wasn't anything worthy of this level of continued barrage.

> You can call me all the names you want, you can question my motivation until
> the cows come home, you can ban me, my email, my IP from any further contact
> with SMGL, but all I really want is for smgl to admit to itself that I left
> for honest reasons, 

Oh, He did leave for honest reasons, nobody doubts that.

> to respect that right to leave 

Right now I don't think anybody's doubting his right to leave.  I
presume many are wishing he would actually use that right.

> and to stop distributing
> my name and especially my email address with a product I no longer support.

I would have done this for Hamish, but the consensus is against me. 
Since it appears he's OK with Schabell still being a developer, this is
the last thing he wants out of us.  Perhaps it will end with that,
perhaps not.

> I am not asking for my involvement to be expunged, you can dedicate an 
> entire
> website to my past association with smgl if you want, but considering the
> reasons I left it is fair to request that you stop distributing my name and
> email within your product. I consider your continued advertisement of my 
> name
> and email unethical.

It isn't advertised.  It's history.  Perhaps if Hamish asked for us to
change the email address to hgg AT sourcemage.org they would go for it. 
hgg <hgg AT sourcemage.org> would never get back to him and it wouldn't be
rewriting history, more like modernizing the parlance.

My own contribution to history...

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