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[Seth Alan Woolley <seth AT positivism.org>]

Maybe we can split up everything so it's not all on one server.  For
example, I know I can help out in some ways (like nameservers), but due
to my not being rich and somewhat limited bandwidth, if we are to grow,
we can't rely on my resources for everything.  However, I'm sure we
together have enough resources to go around.  Somebody can host
bugzilla, for example, another can host the front page and
announcements, another the forum, another the email lists.  This of
course is difficult if we are going to use some fancy integrated CMS.

The robust approach can often be the decentralized one.  Just something
to keep in mind.

For example, we can leave the iso download and main mirror on ibiblio's
server because it's working fine for that, I presume, as those take up
the most bandwidth.

The rest can be farmed out, or since bandwidth is so reduced, we can
host everything else on a single server with lower bandwidth capability.

Seth

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 09:41:52AM -0700, Jason Flatt wrote:
> OK, I'm opening a can of worms here, but I want to get this out in the open 
> and see what others think.
> 
> Most of Source Mage's Internet services (exceptions are IRC, CVS and 
> Perforce) 
> are currently being hosted by Ibiblio.  While Ibiblio offers their services 
> free of charge, there have been some increasing disturbances with their 
> services.
> 
> First, we do not have 100% control of everything we do.  The biggest 
> example 
> of this is the e-mail.  We must send e-mails to them requesting they modify 
> most aspects in order to get anything done.  Mail lists fall under this 
> category, and apparently, are even more difficult to get changed.  The 
> second 
> and third examples are database access and backups.  While they have them 
> and 
> we use them, we have no real control over them.
> 
> Second, the turn around time to get things done has grown to between 2 and 
> 3 
> weeks.  I have spent the last 3-4 months trying to get the Web stats 
> working 
> correctly, and most of that time has been in waiting for replies or action 
> from Ibiblio.  Who knows what would happen if anything serious were to 
> break.
> 
> Because of the previous two items combined, I have held off on updating 
> Bugzilla.  If I made a mistake and hosed the database, we might not have 
> bug 
> reporting for a very long time.  I can't even make a hot backup of the 
> database as a safety net.  I doubt I would be able to restore it if I could.
> 
> Third, the software that is being run on their servers is pretty much out 
> of 
> our control.  This item is not nearly as critical as the first two, but I 
> feel it is important.  Forget about the idea of even using our own product 
> (Source Mage) on their server.  If we even wanted to run a system that 
> depended on some other software system, Zope for example, we would be 
> unable 
> to do so, because it is not installed on their servers and would be 
> unlikely 
> to be installed.
> 
> So, I present to the Source Mage community the problem for review and 
> discussion.  I believe the ideal situation would be for us to have our own 
> server that was located at some co-location service.  While I think that 
> solution is doable, Source Mage is poor and would require donations of 
> time, 
> hardware and/or money to make that happen, and there may be other 
> potentially 
> better options.
> 
> What does everyone (and I do mean /everyone/) think?
> 
> -- 
> Jason Flatt (jason @ flattfamily . com)
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