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[Andrew <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com>]

you can of course just stick &'s all over the init system and let
everything run in the background...i wouldnt advise it for timing issues
and such, but theres no reason why you couldnt do that. otoh you can
just take things out of bootup and have a script that starts everything
else manually then run it as soon as you log in. Personally, qmail takes
a fraction of a second to load, as does everything else, and im willing
to wait an extra 5 seconds on bootup for everything to load cleanly.

On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 08:19:05PM -0700, Glenn Shannon wrote:
> The way I understand the init system (and I could be wrong) is that init
> starts all of the services prior to running stuff like login shells, etc. I
> am not sure if it is even feasible/advisable to start the login prompt
> before everything is loaded, you may have an opportunity to confuse init
> (which would be a very bad thing imho).
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derek Moyes" <sorcerer AT flamesnyper.com>
> To: "Eric Schabell M.Sc." <eschabell AT sourcemage.org>
> Cc: <sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] Call for developer: init.d system refactoring
> toLSB standards
> 
> 
> > While the init scripts are being worked on, is there any way during bootup
> to
> > get to the login prompt faster?
> >
> > What I mean is... can't some services be delayed starting, or maybe
> backgrounded
> > easily, giving you the login prompt before they start? Things like MySQL,
> or
> > sendmail, for instance. On a typical desktop those apps don't necessarily
> need
> > to start before you login.
> >
> > I don't start my system that often, but when I do... I really want it to
> start fast!
> >
> > Quoting "Eric Schabell M.Sc." <eschabell AT sourcemage.org>:
> >
> > > Howdy All!
> > >
> > > I am looking for someone to refactor the init.d script system for Source
> > > Mage GNU/Linux.
> >
> >  -- Derek Moyes, dmoney on #sourcemage
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
> 
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Beside that, if you are not there when your machine reboots, and for some 
reason cannot log in to the box right away, these things will still start.. :)

On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:20:34 -0700
Andrew <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com> wrote:

> you can of course just stick &'s all over the init system and let
> everything run in the background...i wouldnt advise it for timing issues
> and such, but theres no reason why you couldnt do that. otoh you can
> just take things out of bootup and have a script that starts everything
> else manually then run it as soon as you log in. Personally, qmail takes
> a fraction of a second to load, as does everything else, and im willing
> to wait an extra 5 seconds on bootup for everything to load cleanly.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 08:19:05PM -0700, Glenn Shannon wrote:
> > The way I understand the init system (and I could be wrong) is that init
> > starts all of the services prior to running stuff like login shells, etc. 
> > I
> > am not sure if it is even feasible/advisable to start the login prompt
> > before everything is loaded, you may have an opportunity to confuse init
> > (which would be a very bad thing imho).
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Derek Moyes" <sorcerer AT flamesnyper.com>
> > To: "Eric Schabell M.Sc." <eschabell AT sourcemage.org>
> > Cc: <sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] Call for developer: init.d system refactoring
> > toLSB standards
> > 
> > 
> > > While the init scripts are being worked on, is there any way during 
> > > bootup
> > to
> > > get to the login prompt faster?
> > >
> > > What I mean is... can't some services be delayed starting, or maybe
> > backgrounded
> > > easily, giving you the login prompt before they start? Things like 
> > > MySQL,
> > or
> > > sendmail, for instance. On a typical desktop those apps don't 
> > > necessarily
> > need
> > > to start before you login.
> > >
> > > I don't start my system that often, but when I do... I really want it to
> > start fast!
> > >
> > > Quoting "Eric Schabell M.Sc." <eschabell AT sourcemage.org>:
> > >
> > > > Howdy All!
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for someone to refactor the init.d script system for 
> > > > Source
> > > > Mage GNU/Linux.
> > >
> > >  -- Derek Moyes, dmoney on #sourcemage
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
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>From afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com  Tue Apr  8 23:32:33 2003
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one thing worth considering however is daemontools, a slightly different
way of keeping daemons running. concievably all the major daemons could
be loaded and monitored this way, thus eliminating most of the init
scripts and stuff.

On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 10:29:00PM -0500, Joel Sinor wrote:
> Beside that, if you are not there when your machine reboots, and for some 
> reason cannot log in to the box right away, these things will still start.. 
> :)
> 
> On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:20:34 -0700
> Andrew <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com> wrote:
> 
> > you can of course just stick &'s all over the init system and let
> > everything run in the background...i wouldnt advise it for timing issues
> > and such, but theres no reason why you couldnt do that. otoh you can
> > just take things out of bootup and have a script that starts everything
> > else manually then run it as soon as you log in. Personally, qmail takes
> > a fraction of a second to load, as does everything else, and im willing
> > to wait an extra 5 seconds on bootup for everything to load cleanly.
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 08:19:05PM -0700, Glenn Shannon wrote:
> > > The way I understand the init system (and I could be wrong) is that init
> > > starts all of the services prior to running stuff like login shells, 
> > > etc. I
> > > am not sure if it is even feasible/advisable to start the login prompt
> > > before everything is loaded, you may have an opportunity to confuse init
> > > (which would be a very bad thing imho).
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Derek Moyes" <sorcerer AT flamesnyper.com>
> > > To: "Eric Schabell M.Sc." <eschabell AT sourcemage.org>
> > > Cc: <sm-discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 8:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [SM-Discuss] Call for developer: init.d system refactoring
> > > toLSB standards
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > While the init scripts are being worked on, is there any way during 
> > > > bootup
> > > to
> > > > get to the login prompt faster?
> > > >
> > > > What I mean is... can't some services be delayed starting, or maybe
> > > backgrounded
> > > > easily, giving you the login prompt before they start? Things like 
> > > > MySQL,
> > > or
> > > > sendmail, for instance. On a typical desktop those apps don't 
> > > > necessarily
> > > need
> > > > to start before you login.
> > > >
> > > > I don't start my system that often, but when I do... I really want it 
> > > > to
> > > start fast!
> > > >
> > > > Quoting "Eric Schabell M.Sc." <eschabell AT sourcemage.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Howdy All!
> > > > >
> > > > > I am looking for someone to refactor the init.d script system for 
> > > > > Source
> > > > > Mage GNU/Linux.
> > > >
> > > >  -- Derek Moyes, dmoney on #sourcemage
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > SM-Discuss mailing list
> > > > SM-Discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/sm-discuss
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
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I'd say that my sm partition boots about 5 times faster than my debian 
partition and it's a lot faster than when i used red hat 7.1, so i'd say 
we do pretty well with the boot time.

Jeremy


On Tue, 8 Apr 2003, Derek Moyes wrote:

> While the init scripts are being worked on, is there any way during bootup 
> to
> get to the login prompt faster?
> 
> What I mean is... can't some services be delayed starting, or maybe 
> backgrounded
> easily, giving you the login prompt before they start? Things like MySQL, or
> sendmail, for instance. On a typical desktop those apps don't necessarily 
> need
> to start before you login.
> 
> I don't start my system that often, but when I do... I really want it to 
> start fast!
> 
> Quoting "Eric Schabell M.Sc." <eschabell AT sourcemage.org>:
> 
> > Howdy All!
> > 
> > I am looking for someone to refactor the init.d script system for Source
> > Mage GNU/Linux.
> 
>  -- Derek Moyes, dmoney on #sourcemage
> _______________________________________________
> SM-Discuss mailing list
> SM-Discuss AT lists.ibiblio.org
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>