Permaculture Information Web

[Martin Naylor <martinwnaylor AT yahoo.com.au>]

hi

yes, read the books, that will change the planet, richard you would be in breach of copyright and the bern convention acording to a reply at permacultureoceania

martin

imam AT saleema.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

Would you keep your promises?

Saleema

> Message date : Jul 01 2005, 07:41 AM
> From : "Martin Naylor"
> To : "Permaculture Information Web"
> Copy to :
> Subject : Re: PIW Graphing the Symantic Web
>

hi

what do you think of my latest idea, i flood the world with l.s.d. and become prime minister of england by promising the people free drugs, sex and money, then i get another permacultirst in america (they don't vote either) do the same thing over their then the world will listen to reason

martin
>
> Richard Morris wrote:

Martin Naylor wrote:
> > hi
> > i just posted this on permaculture-oceania list, geez 0!!!
>
> Cool. I was thinking no one had a clue about what I was on about.
>
> > it's good to
> > hear you guy's, and your going to get into the permaculture activists,
> > me my self and i have been getting into the moody blues and reading
> > krishnamurti for the last 30 years, god i love this,i need someone to
> > help me build a web site based on this,
>
> What are your thoughs on what you want in the website?
>
> Check out the Googlezon movie at http://www.robinsloan.com/epic/
> for a interesting view on how things might pan out on the web.
>
> Also its worth reading up on the symantic web.
>
> I've been doing a little more reading around on these issues receintly,
> it seems like there are a lot of the technologies we need are sort of in
> place.
>
> Web services description language (WSDL) an XML format which describes
> the services that a webserver provides.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_services_description_language
>
> XML Scheme to describe the datatypes for input and output for methods.
>
> SOAP format for messages to from servers.
>
> These are all a bit similar to XML-RPC but a bit richer in terms of
> expressability.
>
> REST is also interesting. It seems to focus on Nouns rather that Verbs.
> This might be more what we need, in terms of plants which are really
> none type things.
>
> OpenSearch has a nice standard for search results.
>
> RDF and OWL also seems to fit in the picture somehow.
> RDF triples seem to be a nice way to express the data we have.
>
> One of the best articles on this stuff is
> The Semantic Web (for Web Developers)
> http://logicerror.com/semanticWeb-webdev
> Its got ideas about search engines which fit with the ideas in previous
> post.
>
> All this stuff seem reasonably straight forward to implement on top of
> what Chad's doing. We can have frontend which produce output in these
> different formats. There seems to be some python modules to handle a lot
> of this stuff.
>
> Laters
>
> Rich
>
> > i'll give them moshe
> > feldenkrais, awareness through movement, masters and houstons mind
> > games, the complete moody blues,bob dylan, rolling stones, beatels,
> > george harrison, john martyn, jim post, and last but not least john
> > lennon singing mind games, yes!! and i'll even through that in too for
> > totaly free, just go to your local libary,
> > and freinds of the earth
> > love and freedom are at the begining
> > martin
> > ps did i forget jimi hendrix, neil young, santana
> > ps any woman looking to live in australia, see me, i'm looking for love
> > pss must be totaly realized in the above
> >
> > */ichard Mor ris /* wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> > My latest wheeze, not sure if its strictly on topic for
> > permaculture.info but here goes.
> >
> > I've been pondering a graphing program which could pull data off any
> > website and produce graphs and charts.
> >
> > For example I might wish to create a graph of polulation by
> > countries by
> > pulling data off the CIA world fact website.
> >
> > To do this there are basically three components
> >
> > external website - writtend in html (hard) or xml (easy)
> > html-microformat tags (easy).
> >
> > Scaper programs - these have the responsability for parsing websites
> > and extracting data from them.
> >
> > Graphing client - gets data from different scrapers and creates a graph.
> >
> > There might be a number of different scraper programs.
> >
> > A standard xml scraper which could use an xslt script to pull elements
> > from an xml document. This could also be used with microformats.
> >
> > Custom scrapers, tuned for a particular html website. Copes with the
> > indosyncraticies of its format.
> >
> > Scrapers for other services.
> >
> >
> > How this relates to piw.
> >
> > PIW server could be a typical exteran website.
> > I could write a scraper to parse the site and pull out data.
> > This would then allow a graphing client to say graph the heights of a
> > selection of trees.
> >
> > The same tech could also be used for other clients other than graphs.
> >
> > Other elements, there is a need for a standard format for the output of
> > scraper programs. This would need to be generic rather than subject
> > specific, i.e. no asumptions about field names etc.
> >
> > Anyway off to school
> >
> > Rich
>
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