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- From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
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- Subject: Re: [permaculture] Content of posts from an old Permaculture forum - some may be interested in this - goes way back
- Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2025 23:11:12 -0400
An unusual collection of posts in a thread. Show how far and wide the practice of Permaculture has gotten
and this was in July, August and September of 2003.
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Greetings all: I need some advice & assistance from the world
Permacultural Community.
I'm currently negotiating with the Mayor of Pitcairn Island - Steve
Christian - to transform Pitcairn Island (my ancestral homeland) into
the world's first totally 'permaculturally-designed' Island.
Pitcairn is still a British Colony, but the UK basically wants to shut
the Island down (ie. the colony is "not economically viable") & sell
the Pitcairn Islands (Pitcairn, Henderson, Oeno, Ducie) along with
their accompanying 200 nm. exclusive economic zones to the French*
(presumably so that the latter can test nuclear devices on a volcanic
Island rather than an atoll).
One possible way to save the Island & it's unique heritage, would be
to transform it into the only 'holistic-permaculture-nation-state' on
the Planet; not only to make it completely independent of the British
Exchequer, but also to lay the foundations for a limited ecotourism
industry which could possibly enable the Island to become totally
self-sufficient at a relatively comfortable standard of living.
Steve Christian is warm on the idea, but - being one of the most
remote places on earth - "Permaculture", is a complete unknown to the
Island community.
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So, what I need is some advice on the best way to introduce the key
principles & concepts of Permaculture to the Pitcairn Islander
community.
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All & any advice or suggestions on moving this Project (tentatively
titled 'Biosphere3') forward, will be graciously appreciated.
For those unfamiliar with Pitcairn, the following site provides useful
links:
http://www.escapeartist.com/pitcairn/pitcairn.htm
* there are substantial deposits of manganese, iron, copper, gold,
silver, and zinc, which have recently been discovered within the 200
nautical-mile exclusive economic zone surrounding the Pitcairn Islands
(Pitcairn, Henderson, Oeno, Ducie).
cf: 'Convention on Maritime Boundaries between the Government of the
French Republic and the Government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland'
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/FRA-GBR1983MB.PDF
Permacultural Community.
I'm currently negotiating with the Mayor of Pitcairn Island - Steve
Christian - to transform Pitcairn Island (my ancestral homeland) into
the world's first totally 'permaculturally-designed' Island.
Pitcairn is still a British Colony, but the UK basically wants to shut
the Island down (ie. the colony is "not economically viable") & sell
the Pitcairn Islands (Pitcairn, Henderson, Oeno, Ducie) along with
their accompanying 200 nm. exclusive economic zones to the French*
(presumably so that the latter can test nuclear devices on a volcanic
Island rather than an atoll).
One possible way to save the Island & it's unique heritage, would be
to transform it into the only 'holistic-permaculture-nation-state' on
the Planet; not only to make it completely independent of the British
Exchequer, but also to lay the foundations for a limited ecotourism
industry which could possibly enable the Island to become totally
self-sufficient at a relatively comfortable standard of living.
Steve Christian is warm on the idea, but - being one of the most
remote places on earth - "Permaculture", is a complete unknown to the
Island community.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So, what I need is some advice on the best way to introduce the key
principles & concepts of Permaculture to the Pitcairn Islander
community.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All & any advice or suggestions on moving this Project (tentatively
titled 'Biosphere3') forward, will be graciously appreciated.
For those unfamiliar with Pitcairn, the following site provides useful
links:
http://www.escapeartist.com/pitcairn/pitcairn.htm
* there are substantial deposits of manganese, iron, copper, gold,
silver, and zinc, which have recently been discovered within the 200
nautical-mile exclusive economic zone surrounding the Pitcairn Islands
(Pitcairn, Henderson, Oeno, Ducie).
cf: 'Convention on Maritime Boundaries between the Government of the
French Republic and the Government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland'
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/FRA-GBR1983MB.PDF
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Don't Mennonite, Bruderhof and Amish have traditions of land
stewardship and of forming colonies? I think Mennonites have started
quite a few tropical communities, although perhaps in highlands.
Gaviotas is a recent colony in highland Columbia that just might want
to move or split, with recent violence there. They seem like really
neat folk who have done amazing ecological transformations that any
permaculturalist must respect, if not stagger in awe of, if reports
prove true. Alan Weisman wrote about them. I heard one of the Canary
Islands has a tradition of excellent, pre-permaculture gathering and
storing rare rain there, which has transformed the isle.(which might
be Fuerteventura.) I heard it was a rocky, barren low island that
didn't get much rain, and now its full of gardens and people living
their lives. (Some Canary islands are high and catch rain, some are
low and dry.
Maybe also there are refugee communities seeking sanctuary, with whom
Pitcairn
islanders would feel a cultural or empathetic bond with.
Maybe inviting a variety of lifestyle/belief gropus could help
eventually form.
On the other hand, maybe the women of Pitcairn could select from among
a world-full of men through online personals, those that would suit
them and the island's opportunities.
I actually once stumbled across a translated Japanese analysis of
which churches had most successfully colonized Hokkaido, which had,
and has, an indigenous gropu very unrelated to most japanese. This
colonization was actualy not that long ago. Southern Japanese colonist
farmers in Brazil, I have heard, have been very successful and
responsible farmers there. Is this a similar climate?
I'm interested in going to an island for good, but think of Tristan de
Cunha, with its climate more suited to my western european gene set. I
have messed around in small boats every summer as a kid, racing
sailing dinghies in choppy, but swell-less Buzzards Bay in Southern
New England, and crewing with my family aboard my fathers' cruising
sloops. I previously trained in Re-evaluation Counseling, a
peer-to-peer counceling method focusing on recovery form any traumas,
with some great strengths and a few weaknesses, but I'm quite rusty.
What's news?
Brian Cady
stewardship and of forming colonies? I think Mennonites have started
quite a few tropical communities, although perhaps in highlands.
Gaviotas is a recent colony in highland Columbia that just might want
to move or split, with recent violence there. They seem like really
neat folk who have done amazing ecological transformations that any
permaculturalist must respect, if not stagger in awe of, if reports
prove true. Alan Weisman wrote about them. I heard one of the Canary
Islands has a tradition of excellent, pre-permaculture gathering and
storing rare rain there, which has transformed the isle.(which might
be Fuerteventura.) I heard it was a rocky, barren low island that
didn't get much rain, and now its full of gardens and people living
their lives. (Some Canary islands are high and catch rain, some are
low and dry.
Maybe also there are refugee communities seeking sanctuary, with whom
Pitcairn
islanders would feel a cultural or empathetic bond with.
Maybe inviting a variety of lifestyle/belief gropus could help
eventually form.
On the other hand, maybe the women of Pitcairn could select from among
a world-full of men through online personals, those that would suit
them and the island's opportunities.
I actually once stumbled across a translated Japanese analysis of
which churches had most successfully colonized Hokkaido, which had,
and has, an indigenous gropu very unrelated to most japanese. This
colonization was actualy not that long ago. Southern Japanese colonist
farmers in Brazil, I have heard, have been very successful and
responsible farmers there. Is this a similar climate?
I'm interested in going to an island for good, but think of Tristan de
Cunha, with its climate more suited to my western european gene set. I
have messed around in small boats every summer as a kid, racing
sailing dinghies in choppy, but swell-less Buzzards Bay in Southern
New England, and crewing with my family aboard my fathers' cruising
sloops. I previously trained in Re-evaluation Counseling, a
peer-to-peer counceling method focusing on recovery form any traumas,
with some great strengths and a few weaknesses, but I'm quite rusty.
What's news?
Brian Cady
[]
Damn clever Japanese. Unfortunately there are no rivers or sizeable
streams on the Islands, so salmon farming is probably not an option.
However, as the Pitcairner's religion - SDA - prohibits the
consumption of many types of seafood (in Seventh Day Adventist
communities, only finfish are consumed, due to religious prohibitions
on the consumption of anything without fins and scales; so effective
a conservation measure has this prohibition been, that there is great
abundance of invertebrates, especially crustaceans and holothurians
around the Pitcairn Islands) there would probably be some scope for
limited commercial harvesting within the 200 nautical-mile exclusive
economic zone surrounding the Pitcairn Islands (Pitcairn, Henderson,
Ducie, Oeno & Sandy).
I imagine any deal struck with the Japanese would need to be in accord
with:
'Convention on Maritime Boundaries between the Government of the
French Republic and the Government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland'
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/FRA-GBR1983MB.PDF
streams on the Islands, so salmon farming is probably not an option.
However, as the Pitcairner's religion - SDA - prohibits the
consumption of many types of seafood (in Seventh Day Adventist
communities, only finfish are consumed, due to religious prohibitions
on the consumption of anything without fins and scales; so effective
a conservation measure has this prohibition been, that there is great
abundance of invertebrates, especially crustaceans and holothurians
around the Pitcairn Islands) there would probably be some scope for
limited commercial harvesting within the 200 nautical-mile exclusive
economic zone surrounding the Pitcairn Islands (Pitcairn, Henderson,
Ducie, Oeno & Sandy).
I imagine any deal struck with the Japanese would need to be in accord
with:
'Convention on Maritime Boundaries between the Government of the
French Republic and the Government of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland'
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/TREATIES/FRA-GBR1983MB.PDF
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