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[Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>]

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From: Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org>
Date: Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] QUESTIONS .. of corruption etc etc
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>

Thanks for the tip Joel, I haven't read it and will order it if it does a
better job of defining "orders" that I found so far.  Does it?

Scott

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From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Glanzberg
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 8:46 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] QUESTIONS .. of corruption etc etc

Scott have you seen Barry Lopez's book Home Ground?
http://www.amazon.com/Home-Ground-Guide-American-Landscape/dp/1595341757
All about some of what you are asking about...a lexicon defining all of the
words you cited and more, by many autors.

Joel

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org>
wrote:

> Thanks for the video Steve.  These are the questions that we must answer
> in permaculture or we are pissing up a rope!  All of the deceit mentioned
> in this presentation exist in permaculture and in may cases in the
> leadership or “stars” of permaculture, which leads me to question is the
> word salvageable or should we move on with a better and more true model of
> change?  I think all the elements exist in permaculture as a design
process
> but they have been so compromised that we must invent a new language and
> perhaps a new title for what we are about.
>
> I often speak of this lack of language in describing pattern.  We have
> lost so much descriptive language that we cannot accurately describe our
> environment anymore.  Branching patterns of moving water is hard pressed
to
> name each branch.  What is the real difference between a rill, brook,
> stream, rivulet, river, estuary, and... and.. we have a supposed six
orders
> and can only begin to name each of them in a clear and distinctive way.
> The same with tree branching.  If we are unable to succinctly describe our
> environment can we really see it??  I don’t think so.
[][][][]
*> I am currently writing a book called “The Dharma of Permaculture” in
which*








* > I am using the ethics and natural principals as the foundation of a
true > dharma of what we are seeking.  This is done in an ashram in Costa
Rica > where I managed to get a “writers” grant.  My pay back  is to
meditate > every morning at 4 AM and afternoon at 5:00PM.  My penance is
being > vegetarian for months on end.  Fortunately I am able to write in
this > solitude and could not in my home environment.  I’m a hundred pages
in and > hope I don’t have to start all over as I think through and learn
more about > the Hindu view of the world and cosmology.*

*Does anyone have plans to publish this unfinished work of Scott's anytime
soon?*
*I would be willing to make a contribution towards editing, printing and
distribution costs.*

*Maybe others would be willing to do the same.*

*LL*



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Lawrence F. London, Jr.
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