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[Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>]

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>From sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.eduFri Dec 27 18:06:44 1996
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 08:21:34 -0800 (PST)
From: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
Subject: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)



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Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 05:40:40 -1000
From: Jay Hanson <jhanson@ilhawaii.net>
To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
Subject: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity?

Are there any well-documentated, instinces of sustainable
agriculture from antiquity?

If so, can someone give me a synopsis and references?

Jay


[Does anyone have the volume/date for the Agronomy Journal issue with
a symposium on this a few years back?  I am out of my office until
Jan 3 so can't look it up now.  It described the potato/maize/bean
rotation in the Andes mountains and compared soil quality in similar
areas that had been cropped for 1500 years versus not cropped.  Also
any reports on slash-and-burn under low populations?  TH]

>From sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.eduFri Dec 27 18:07:11 1996
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:16:38 -0800 (PST)
From: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)



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Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 23:56:38 +0700 (GMT)
From: Richard Tinsley <tinsley@ait.ac.th>
To: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
Cc: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)


You migh check on a out of print USDA publication called

7000 years of cultivation by a Lowdermilk, I can't remember his first
name.  I have not seen a copy for 20 years or more.  It is really a
description of the soil conservation or erosion within the Fertile Cresent
or middle east.  A real excellent treatment.

Other than that you might want to contact Rodale Press. they maintain a
real good reference on this type of information.  I think they have
someone subscribed so it should be picked up fairly easily.  If not a
cross posting to Agric-L or Devel-l should do the trick.

Good luck and post your replys to the list.

With best wishes for the holidays.

Dick Tinsley


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On Wed, 25 Dec 1996, Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup) wrote:

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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 05:40:40 -1000
> From: Jay Hanson <jhanson@ilhawaii.net>
> To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
> Subject: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity?
>
> Are there any well-documentated, instinces of sustainable
> agriculture from antiquity?
>
> If so, can someone give me a synopsis and references?
>
> Jay
>
>
> [Does anyone have the volume/date for the Agronomy Journal issue with
> a symposium on this a few years back?  I am out of my office until
> Jan 3 so can't look it up now.  It described the potato/maize/bean
> rotation in the Andes mountains and compared soil quality in similar
> areas that had been cropped for 1500 years versus not cropped.  Also
> any reports on slash-and-burn under low populations?  TH]
>


>From sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.eduFri Dec 27 18:08:09 1996
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:20:09 -0800 (PST)
From: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)



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Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:52:20 -0800 (PST)
From: David Schlegel <dschlege@nature.Berkeley.EDU>
To: sustag@BETA.TRICITY.WSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)

Paul Zinke, Professor Emeritus, Forestry and Resource Management, 231
Mulford Hall, University of California, Berkeley, CA 94720 spent years
studying slash and burn agriculture.  My recollection of his work that I
heard in a presentation many years ago, is that slash and burn is an
excellent system if the rotation is long enough... low populations.  He has
excellent quantitative data on soil erosion, methodology, etc.

At 08:21 AM 12/25/96 -0800, you wrote:
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>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 05:40:40 -1000
>From: Jay Hanson <jhanson@ilhawaii.net>
>To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
>Subject: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity?
>
>Are there any well-documentated, instinces of sustainable
>agriculture from antiquity?
>
>If so, can someone give me a synopsis and references?
>
>Jay
>
>
>[Does anyone have the volume/date for the Agronomy Journal issue with
>a symposium on this a few years back?  I am out of my office until
>Jan 3 so can't look it up now.  It described the potato/maize/bean
>rotation in the Andes mountains and compared soil quality in similar
>areas that had been cropped for 1500 years versus not cropped.  Also
>any reports on slash-and-burn under low populations?  TH]
>
>


>From sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.eduFri Dec 27 18:09:37 1996
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:21:21 -0800 (PST)
From: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)



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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 06:33:58 -0800
From: Larry Caldwell <larryc@teleport.com>
To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)

> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 05:40:40 -1000
> From: Jay Hanson <jhanson@ilhawaii.net>

> Are there any well-documentated, instinces of sustainable
> agriculture from antiquity?

What's the matter with ancient Egypt and Han China?  Both are well
documented, and operated for > 1000 years.  Both areas have switched
to non-sustainable ag practices.

-- Larry

>From sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.eduSun Dec 29 21:10:22 1996
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 10:23:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)



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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 09:53:06 -1000
From: drfist@ilhawaii.net
To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)

As an agroecologist and also agronomist I have made a study of ancient ag.
systems, and yes ,they were sustainable, until European contact,wiped most
of it out,including most of the farmers here in Hawaii, from disease. See
my Paper (abstract) on the IFOAM page which I presented in Copenhagen in
August. Go to my web page for links to my paper(IFOAM PAGES) "Ancient
Hawaiian Agriculture as a model for Sustainability" ,my studies include the
Maya of Belize,the Anastazi of the U.S. Southwest, and farming methods in
Egypt and Africa.

Robert H. Faust Ph.D. Agroecologist
Faust Bio-Agricultural Services, Inc.
P.O. Box 800, Honaunau, Hawaii 96726 U.S.A.
808-328-2083
"To be economical and ecological, agriculture must be
biological"http://www.wp.com/bioag/



>From sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.eduWed Jan  1 14:56:51 1997
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:51:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
To: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)



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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:08:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Larry Breech <dablbb@sunlink.net>
To: sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)

At 10:16 AM 12/27/96 -0800, you wrote:
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>Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 23:56:38 +0700 (GMT)
>From: Richard Tinsley <tinsley@ait.ac.th>
>To: "Tom Hodges (moderated newsgroup)" <sustag@beta.tricity.wsu.edu>
>Cc: Principles of Sustainable Agriculture <sustag-l@listproc.wsu.edu>
>Subject: Re: Does anyone know of sustainable ag from antiquity? (fwd)
>
>
>You migh check on a out of print USDA publication called
>
>7000 years of cultivation by a Lowdermilk, I can't remember his first
>name.  I have not seen a copy for 20 years or more.  It is really a
>description of the soil conservation or erosion within the Fertile Cresent
>or middle east.  A real excellent treatment.
>
>
>That would be USDA Bulletin 99 Available from your NRCS staff-be prepared
to wait-and it's called Conquest of the Land Through 7,000 Years. By Dr. W.
C. Lowdermilk, formerly Assistant Chief, Soil Conservation Service. It is
excellent.
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