permaculture

[DONKA RADEVA <donnybg@yahoo.com>]

Hi dear PC-list members,

I wanted to ask, does anybody have an idea if in Italy near Naples there are 
good organized organic farms on permacultural principles which is worth 
seeing?

I will visit Italy at the end of month in connection with one of my 
university projects and it would be nice to combine it with a visit of a such 
type of farm.


Best wishes,
Donka
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On Sep 17, 2014, at 8:36 AM, farmer1@gasperfarm.com wrote:

> Did Bill allow his students to teach and design because of a sense of
> urgency or because of his rejection of the establishment and of =
systems of
> control?

Let's look at the evidence around Bill's attitudes toward the =
establishment and systems of control. He produced the first certificates =
to document graduates of PDCs; he stated that one needed to take a PDC =
in order to use the word "permaculture" in a business; that the word =
"permaculture" was copyrighted and that "copyright is vested in the =
Permaculture Institutes and their College of Graduates, and is guarded =
by them for the purposes of consistent education" (from p. ix of the =
Designer's Manual); he vigorously pursues copyright infringement and has =
threatened violators with legal action; he devised the first Diplomas; =
he attempted to trademark several permaculture-related terms; he created =
the original Permaculture Institute and Permaculture Academy; he =
established a registry of PDC teachers. Chapter 14 of the DM has a =
considerable section on establishing Trust Companies, Charitable Trusts, =
Non-Profit Trading Trust Companies, Development Trusts, Property Trusts, =
credit unions, revolving loan funds, banks, leasing systems, investment =
strategies, and on trusteeship and board of director structures.

The evidence is that Bill finds ostensible "systems of control" like =
these useful and valuable. Institutions are usually what we make them. I =
suspect a case here of projecting one's own values onto those we admire.

Given the anarchistic, anti-authoritarian nature of most permies, and =
the fact that permaculture has shown itself over the last 30 years to be =
essentially uncontrollable, out of two possible fates for permaculture, =
one being the takeover of its institutions by fascists bent on seizing =
control and acting as police to make it as exclusive and high-priced as =
possible, and on the other hand, seeing a decline of standards and =
dissipation of the PDC into whatever any teacher wants it to be, I'd say =
the latter is much more likely.

Toby
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