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[Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network <lakinroe@silcom.com>]

hi everyone
 don’t forget Jude Hobbs will be presenting another vision/direction of 
Permaculture Standards and Principals that she presented at IPC Cuba 
wes


Jude Hobbs Cascadia Permaculture I've received your notes and wanted to share 
some information about PINA. As you see in the below description of the 
vision statement, organizational summary and goals ... our intention is to be 
the North American Permaculture Professional Organization, which includes a 
certifying body. Hopefully, within the month we will have detailed 
information on the website.

PINA is an organization that is being established on the grass roots level by 
people working in the field for over 20 years and are maintaining the ethics 
and integrity of Permaculture Principles. As a volunteer board, this endeavor 
has taken over 4 years to put together. The focus of PINA is to offer 
guidance to Regional Pc HUBS to be the active participants in the process 
outlined below.
During the Cuban Convergence I discussed the intention of PINA, which was 
very well-received...with over 60 people in attendance. We are a very 
transparent organization.

PINA Design
A. The Vision for PINA
A professional organization designed to support students and experienced 
practitioners of Permaculture in North America

B. Organizational Summary
As Permaculture becomes widely recognized as the premier strategy for 
transforming culture and agriculture in North America, it is time to 
establish an egalitarian, peer-reviewed, professional organization for 
recognition of achievement and mastery in the field. Embodying the 
Permaculture ethics and principles, PINA is an association of Regional Hubs 
that work together to grant diplomas, promote Permaculture design courses, 
and facilitate networking among Permaculturists across the continent.

C. Goals of PINA
• To raise and maintain professional standards in Permaculture design, 
teaching, and other areas of Permaculture work.
• To support Permaculture education through a certifying process that 
recognizes achievement and excellence.
• To provide a structure for communication among Permaculture Design Course 
(PDC) graduates.
We are planning to upload all revised drafts of the PINA documents on 
February 1st: Check out:www.permaculturenorthamerica.com Thank you for your 
interest

On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:16 AM, <farmer1@gasperfarm.com> wrote:
> 
>> Discussions like these give me a sour feeling as I dislike political
>> wrangling. These things seem inevitably to degenerate into protecting
>> turf, excluding people, and creating boundaries around accepted thoughts
>> and practices and all of this serves to squelch innovation.
>> 
>> 
> It looks like you have written off the entirety of Scott's effort to use a
> valuable convergence to create documentation about a definition of
> Permaculture and
> standards for Permaculture education that everyone would benefit from well
> into the future. In addition to that you are unjustly accusing Scott and
> others
> of "protecting turf, excluding people, and creating boundaries around
> accepted thoughts and practices and all of this serves to squelch
> innovation" It seems to me that the permaculture community having a
> properly described, in depth, well written set of standards to use on an
> ongoing basis, year after year, would serve to stimulate innovation.
> 
> 
>> In movement theory this situation is one that happens when a movement is
>> peaking and has or soon will reach the apex of its influence and
>> philosophy. When pioneers and visionaries are driving things folks are too
>> busy doing and innovating to worry about turf battles and solidifying
>> institutional control to maintain the ground taken.
>> 
> 
> After all that has been said and discussed about the great need for
> intelligent, comprehensive, in-depth Permaculture standards in our time,
> in part because of all the phonies and poseurs attempting to co-opt the
> movement exclusively for personal financial gain, you do not seem to
> think there is a need for that.
> 
> 
>> I'm not saying your efforts are not warranted or needed; I just take it as
>> a bad omen and this isn't the first such thing I've noticed.
>> 
> 
> Bad omen? What other things have you noticed?
> 
> 
>> Is PC capitalism an oxymoron looks like a worthy discussion.  What is the
>> Price of a PC looks like a ridiculous overreach in grabbing for power.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Michael Pilarski via permaculture <
> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
> 
>> Some people do not like circles or holding hands or singing.  That is
> okay.
>> It is their right to stand aside and not participate.  I am all about
> freedom. On the other hand, if
>> some of us do want to stand in a circle, or hold hands, or sing songs,
> that is
>> our right and those who prefer not to, do not have the right to enforce
> their
>> preference on us.
> 
>> At NAPC we will warn people before doing any of these things so that
> people can step aside.
> 
> "I am all about freedom." Apparently freedom to alienate those attendees
> who have no interest in hand holding and singing in a circle
> and would rather just get on with work, i.e. creating Standards for
> Permaculture,  by accusing them of trying to enforce their will on others.
> I am sure that those people Toby mentioned will have their decision not to
> attend NAPC enforced by this unfortunate attitude.
> 
> -- 
> Lawrence F. London
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> http://www.avantgeared.com
> https://plus.google.com/+Avantgeared
> Skype: lawrence.f.london
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Jude Hobbs Cascadia Permaculture I've received your notes and wanted to share 
some information about PINA. As you see in the below description of the 
vision statement, o