permaculture

[Chris Watkins <chriswaterguy@appropedia.org>]

Update on the permaculture.info -> Appropedia import...

We had some communication problems with a developer in Europe who is
volunteering his time on this, but we managed to connect and we're
discussing what is needed. He says there are some technical challenges with
the database, so we're working on it step by step.


On 25 November 2012 14:31, venaurafarm <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> On 11/24/2012 9:54 PM, Chris Watkins wrote:
> > On 25 November 2012 01:00, venaurafarm <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> If you follow many of the active links out you will find a lot of
> >> interesting reading. Would it be worthwhile my asking ibiblio to provide
> >> a Wikidump of this entire wiki and the Agriculture Wiki also?
> >> They could send you copies of these.
> >
> >
> > Interesting idea... I think we need a different approach, though.
> >
> > For one thing, it's a different kind of wiki software.
>
> It is phpWiki, with known security holes. I set it up and ran it myself.
> It gathered spam constantly and was taken offline.
>
> Now I am more interested in it and wikis in general as a way to deliver
> information; also ways to integrate wikipages with diverse Google
> resources, Drive, Sites, Blogger, Groups, Google+, Picasaweb and other
> things.
>
> > Also, Appropedia,
> > and the permaculture.info wiki which is merging with it, use the
> Creative
> > Commons Attribution ShareAlike (CC-by-sa) license, so anything added
> there
> > needs to be under that license or something compatible (i.e. CC-by or
> > public domain i.e. without any copyright).
>
> > So, this knowledge can certainly be added to Appropedia, but it will need
> > to be done manually. Anyone can do it, but please take care - if it's not
> > your own work, at least paraphrase it so it's not breaching someone's
> > copyright. Unless it's all the work of a few people and they all agree
> that
> > it's okay...?
>
> I know everyone who contributed to it and doubt there would be the
> slightest objection to repurposing of their data. They are, me, Graham
> Burnett, Bob Waldrop, Miekal and a few others.


That's good. However, we'll need explicit permission. (I became much more
pedantic about this after we did a lot of work putting a good and
well-known book onto Appropedia, with permission from the author, and then
were asked to take it down because the publisher hadn't understood the
license and hadn't realized what they were agreeing to. Also, it's fair
enough that when we use someone's work, that we have a clear agreement
about it.)

So, each could be sent an email which they saying something like:

We would like to take your work on the now inactive wikis - (the PC Wiki
and the Agriculture Wiki (AgWiki) (hosted on ibiblio) reuse your work on
Appropedia. Please read carefully before agreeing.


   - Do you give permission for your content to be used on Appropedia under
   the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0
license<https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/>(CC-by-sa
3.0)?  This is the license used by Appropedia as well as
   Wikipedia, and it allows the work to be modified and reused for any
   purpose, with attribution to the source.

But... then we have to ask if having their name mentioned in the edit
summary (and displayed on the "history" page for the article) as adequate
attribution. That means we need to put that attribution in the edit summary
every time we add something from those wikis. (You could just keep the list
of names in a text file open on your computer, and copy it in each time -
"From the PC Wiki, content by Lawrence F. London, Graham Burnett, Bob
Waldrop <insert rest of names> and/or Miekal.") they don't care about being
attributed - but attribution is good, if we can manage it.


If you can use a wikidump
> to automate integration of the data I will ask for this,
> otherwise all of it can be added manually, but that will take time.
>

If it's hundreds of pages, we can look into converting it from PhpWiki to
MediaWiki format - otherwise manually is easier.

We do have a handy tool: Copy from the web page, paste into this box:
http://www.appropedia.org/index.php?title=Appropedia:Wikedbox&action=edit
- then press the red [w] button in the middle of the buttons above. Voila -
it's ready to cut and paste to the appropriate Appropedia page (or any
other MediaWiki site) - and links and formatting will be correctly
formatted.

How soon can you add the permaculture.info data? When that is done then
> those of us interested can start adding useful info from my pc wiki.
> I seem to have renewed interest in this and wikis in general.


That's great - I hope to have more news for you soon.

Thanks
Chris


> If I can
> get my own mediawiki permaculture site running again I may take a look
> at developing it, my marketfarming wiki too. I have way more raw info on
> farming, soil quality, wetlands and bibliographies than I do on any
> other topic. I would like to see the Appropedia Permaculture page
> developed thoroughly and completely. I hope this work can begin as soon
> as possible and volunteers will get busy and develop pages. So much is
> going on that needs to be recorded and studied.
>
> LL
>
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