permaculture

[Michael Pilarski <friendsofthetrees@yahoo.com>]

To verify Steve Hart on this.

Goerge Chan spoke at the 1991, 4th International Permaculture Conference in 
Kathmandu. George Chan roomed in the same hotel with me. A great 
agriculturist and quite famous. It was valuable to have him as a friend of 
permaculture. 

 I look forward to whatever is pulled together of his history and knowledge. 

Michael Pilarski

--- On Sun, 10/28/12, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
Subject: [permaculture] George Chan
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Cc: "Leo Bakx" <info@leobakx.com>, "zoë rozar" <s.rozar@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, October 28, 2012, 8:18 AM

Sorry  LL...George first came to the prominance of the Permaculture
community circa 1990 and spoke at IPC4 in Nepal. Key in George Chan
Integrated Farming for a search. There are probably better web sites than
this but its a start

http://www.emissionizero.net/Integrated_Farming_System_-_George_Chan.html

Best regards and thanks. Steve Hart

    7. Re: To the Permaculture Elders & George Chan's story (Steve Hart)
>    8. Re: To the Permaculture Elders & George Chan's story (venaurafarm)
>
>
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:21:49 +0100
> From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] To the Permaculture Elders & George Chan's
>         story
> To: zo? rozar <s.rozar@gmail.com>
> Cc: Magali Veillon <magaliveillon@yahoo.com>,
>         pil-pc-oceania@mailman.aboc.net.au,     permaculture
>         <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, kennedy@declan.de,    Leo Bakx
>         <info@leobakx.com>
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>
> HI Zoe..great to hear your positive enthusiasm. I wish you all luck and
> energy to talk more with George Chan and write as much of his life and
> experiences and memoirs as can be possibly achieved. He was an inspiration
> to many of us.
>
> I forward this on to a USA and Australian chat room so that it may inspire
> other elders and even young wisdom to support your call. The editing will
> be the challenge.
>
> Keep flying
>
> Steve Hart
>
> On 28 October 2012 12:45, zo? rozar <s.rozar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear elders,
> >
> > In this day and age of information, the more I have taken steps forwards
> > and backwards the more I see a repeat of information. Each new generation
> > is offered the same old info as sensational and fresh out of the box...to
> > the detriment of continuous, progressive reflections.
> >
> > I know that it would be of use, if you, our elders, leave voice messages
> > for anyone to remember not to be over enthusiastic though remaining
> > optimistic of the actions we must seek to move forward.
> >
> > Have you head of the open source program that follows?
> > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > you can record and edit voice messages and embed the mp3s on-line to
> play.
> > I would like these recording to be made available through the eu council
> > website. Even though since returning to the indian ocean in march I am
> > focused on remaining involved and I have a little more time, though
> things
> > are still settling down here, to do something.
> >
> > It would be my wish, for the european council visitors and international
> > information seekers at large to head on your guidance, hopes and
> > encouragement.
> >
> > If you could please prepare an audio file answering the following
> > questions in order and sending to the recordings me (as ever you choose)
> so
> > that I may upload to the internet with leo's help or even, joel, who has
> > helped me on websites before.
> >
> > here is the format
> >
> > Name
> >
> > history in permaculture
> >
> > experience:
> > 1. the positive
> > 2. the negative
> >
> > the message to up and coming generation and reminder to the on-going
> > generations, i.e. guidance and encouragements
> >
> > Tony, your talk on the ocean currents and your understanding of the world
> > as if it were your backyard was so compelling and informative in 2010, I
> > was wondering if you could offer the notes to share. I have not, as of
> yet,
> > met someone who could explain these things so calmly and simply, without
> > raising to the rage found in the young ones' "bring down the system"
> > attitude. You shut my 'bring down the system' attitude quite nicely and
> for
> > the best. Since I have been a lot more productive and open minded.
> >
> > *please send this recording exercise to any permaculturist who could be
> > considered as our guides/elders*, to inform of the perpetual cycles, the
> > determination, patience and care we must invest ourselves in, day in and
> > day out, to really push for integrated ecosystems as the only way to
> bring
> > man and nature into a productive and symbiotic relationship.
> >
> > I will be trying to do this with George Chan who has little memory and
> > attention span left. He sometimes has moments of great clarity.
> >
> > I have tried uploading his documents Steve, but it has been quite
> > frustrating. I need to find another way to get the data to you. IN the
> > meantime, I am still in touch with Prof. Pauli and getting to the lost
> > write up of Georges' work, currently being kept by some mysterious fella
> in
> > government. I am pursuing the investigation still this week, confirming a
> > meeting with the head of the Agriculture Research and Extension Unit
> >
> > All the best to you all and hope to hear from you soon
> >
> > love
> >
> > Zoe
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Kia ora
>
> [image: Picture]
> *Steve Hart*
> Ecology Architect
> skype: stevenlawrencehart
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:09:35 -0400
> From: venaurafarm <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] To the Permaculture Elders & George Chan's
>         story
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <508D3C9F.4030202@bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 10/28/2012 9:21 AM, Steve Hart wrote:
>
> >> *please send this recording exercise to any permaculturist who could be
> >> considered as our guides/elders*, to inform of the perpetual cycles, the
> >> determination, patience and care we must invest ourselves in, day in and
> >> day out, to really push for integrated ecosystems as the only way to
> bring
> >> man and nature into a productive and symbiotic relationship.
> >>
> >> I will be trying to do this with George Chan who has little memory and
> >> attention span left. He sometimes has moments of great clarity.
> >>
> >> I have tried uploading his documents Steve, but it has been quite
> >> frustrating. I need to find another way to get the data to you. IN the
>
> Get those documents to me and I will make them available to the
> permaculture community, online, with multiple copies in all useful
> formats. If they are in printed form then they will need to be scanned
> and OCR'd.
>
> >> meantime, I am still in touch with Prof. Pauli and getting to the lost
> >> write up of Georges' work, currently being kept by some mysterious
> fella in
> >> government. I am pursuing the investigation still this week, confirming
> a
>
> What government, what country? China?
>
> Who is George Chan?
>
> >> meeting with the head of the Agriculture Research and Extension Unit
> >>
> >> All the best to you all and hope to hear from you soon
> >>
> >> love
> >>
> >> Zoe
>
> Who is Zoe.
>
> Explanations and background needed, Steve.
>
> LL
>
>
>
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