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["Bob Waldrop" <bwaldrop@cox.net>]

I have just posted an article by Dan Hemenway, “What is Permaculture” at the 
Barking Frogs Permaculture website. 

http://www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org/whatispermaculture.pdf

It is from the International Permaculture Solutions Journal, published by 
BFPC, http://www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org/tips2.pdf .

Bob Waldrop
website tadpole
Barking Frogs Permaculture
see also www.bobwaldrop.net
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I understand thanks for your thoughts.  trudie

On Saturday, March 3, 2012, John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> I was not going to react to this topic but seeing that you feel probably
> hurt by the fairly agressive reaction from people advocating cooperation
and
> peaceful coexistance Trudie I now changed my mind.
>
> I am all in favor of cooperation don't get me wrong. And I like seeing
> workers take over a closed factory and do something useful with it but I
> fear the matematics of the cooperation video might not tally completely.
>
> If tens or hundreds of thousands loose their job then there is some hope
if
> a few hundred get the wheels turning again for themselves. But what about
> the rest? Maybe more positive thinking will see them right?
>
> I can only congratulate the hopeful on the quality of their exellent
> neighbors but I have serious worries about my own situation in Ireland.
>
> John
>
>
>
> isn,t the point that everyone reacts differently to crisis?. Admit it to
> yourself that some people carry guns live with guns use guns regularly
> anyone telling about their life in argentina is bound to trip over
> themselves and make some errors while explaining instead of criticizing
the
> writer you can just choose to glean what you can from his viewpoint and
> experience dont do what some do to permacultuists -throw out everything he
> /she says and not have sympathy, empathy for the situatin he finds himsef
> in.  i hope you dont plan to say im a fake or"only an american would say
> that"if  i wrie something and one more thing he is helping his
> neighbors-us-by being willing to tell what he percieves i personally see
> many examples and cannot explain myself i read this list and almost never
> make a comment i have learned a hell of a lot though from all the persons
> who take the time to write. Trudie Redding austin tx
>
> On Friday, March 2, 2012, wildedges@gmail.com <wildedges@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.rapidtrends.com/surving-argentinas-economic-collapse-part-1-3/
>>
>> Here is an excerpt from part 1:
>>
>>
>> URBAN OR COUNTRY?
>>
>> Someone once asked me how did those that live in the country fare. If
they
>> were better off than city dwellers. As always there are no simple
answers.
>> Wish I could say country good, city bad, but I can�t, because if I have
to
>> be completely honest, and I intend to be so, there are some issues that
>> have to be analyzed, especially security. Of course those that live in
the
>> country and have some land and animals were better prepared food-wise. No
>> need to have several acres full of crops. A few fruit trees, some
animals,
>> such as chickens, cows and rabbits, and a small orchard were enough to be
>> light years ahead of those in the cities. Chickens, eggs and rabbits
would
>> provide the proteins, a cow or two for milk and cheese, some vegetables
> and
>> fruit plants covered the vegetable diet, some eggs or a rabbit could be
>> traded for flour to make bread and pasta or sugar and salt.
>>
>> Of course that there are exceptions, for example, some provinces up north
>> have a desert climate, and it almost never rains. It is almost impossible
>> to live off the land, and animals require food and water you have to buy.
>> Those guys had it bad; no wonder the northern provinces suffer the most
in
>> my country. Those that live in cities, well they have to manage as they
>> can. Since food prices went up about 200%-300%. People would cut expenses
>> wherever they could so they could buy food. Some ate whatever they could;
>> they hunted birds or ate street dogs and cats, others starved. When it
>> comes to food, cities suck in a crisis. It is usually the lack of food or
>> the impossibility to acquire it that starts the rioting and looting when
>> TSHTF.
>>
>> When it comes to security things get even more complicated. Forget about
>> shooting those that mean you harm from 300 yards away with your MBR [main
>> battle rifle]. Leave that notion to armchair commandos and 12 year old
> kids
>> that pretend to be grown ups on the internet.
>>
>> Some facts:
>>
>> 1) Those that want to harm you/steal from you don�t come with a pirate
> flag
>> waving over their heads.
>>
>> 2) Neither do they start shooting at you 200 yards away.
>> 3) They won�t come riding loud bikes or dressed with their orange,
convict
>> just escaped from prison jump suits, so that you can identify them the
>> better. Nor do they all wear chains around their necks and leather
> jackets.
>> If I had a dollar for each time a person that got robbed told me �They
>> looked like NORMAL people, dressed better than we are�, honestly, I would
>> have enough money for a nice gun. There are exceptions, but don�t expect
>> them to dress like in the movies.
>>
>> 4) A man with a wife and two or three kids can�t set up a watch. I don�t
>> care if you are SEAL, SWAT or John Freaking Rambo, no 6th sense is going
> to
>> tell you that there is a guy pointing a gun at your back when you are
>> trying to fix the water pump that just broke, or carrying a big heavy bag
>> of dried beans you bought that morning.
>>
>> The best alarm system anyone can have on a farm are dogs. But
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