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[DGilsen@aol.com]

In a message dated 6/18/2011 6:52:59 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk writes:



Basically our investor thinks that setting up a bio digester is  just as 
dangerous (if not more so) as installing a high voltage sub station,  and 
that 
we should only consider it if we can find an experienced professional  to 
do it.

I Have been trying to convince him that this kind of work is  done in many 
rural locations without any deadly explosions or mass poisonings  but he is 
being quite stubborn about this.

What can I do to change his  opinion?

Chris

--- On Sun, 6/19/11, DGilsen@aol.com  <DGilsen@aol.com> wrote:

> From: DGilsen@aol.com  <DGilsen@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Bio digester  perceived dangers
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date:  Sunday, June 19, 2011, 2:56 AM
> Well what do you want to  know? 
> Over the years I have had about three   



Chris old boy mother earth news has tons of information about bio gas  
plants and the do's and don'ts and India has grants for farmers to build 
their  
own out of bricks and most rural farmers are almost illerate and the  
instructions are in picture form.The whole time I was in India I never heard 
of  
any biogas plant blowing up or causing any problems.  However If the man  has 
made up his mind the facts wont change it.  A closed mind is almost  
impossible to chance.  Sorry your guy is so poorly informed ask him what he  
has 
heard and the source of his information then check it out.  Sometimes  just 
flooding him with information from multiple sources of information will do  
the trick.  But prejudices once formed are like religion  can't be  easily 
changed.  I wish you luck .  You might check with the local  state or county 
farm Agent, a lot of large pig and cattle farms are powering  their farms 
with pig and cow poop using biogas plants you might check in to  that.
Carol
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paul wheaton paul at richsoil.com writes:

Tue Jun 21 12:02:15 EDT 2011
I did a podcast review of it.
http://www.richsoil.com/permaculture/category/podcast/page/2/

<><>

It is easy to see that podcasts and other forms of downloadable
recorded digital audio
are really a good thing and the logical extension of formatted and
unformatted text-based
information, multimedia digital still and video photography.

<><>
PW:
If I remember right, I was a bit peeved at the word "dirt" instead of
soil.  And while there is a lot of good stuff in "dirt, the movie"  I
outlined where I would have liked to see it go.

<>

It seems that "Dirt" was intended to actively get the good word out
to a very broad demographic cross/diverse-cultural global audience and
to my way of thinking it certainly did that.
A lot of time was taken up with cartoons and special effects but the
featured contributors were absolutely outstanding. It is a classic
work from that standpoint.
We need a lot more of that kind of educational/documentary movie. I am
sure you are doing exactly that, Paul. I am hoping to make my
contribution through continued expansion of my online archives,
blogs, lists and garden tool sourcelist/biointensive gardening resource sheet.

"Dirt" should be "Dirt I" with many other versions following, II, III,
IV, V and on into the future of....soil.
For a broad audience dirt has more immediate meaning. The producers
have to get funding so the content has to be
able to do the job of connecting to views and keeping their attention,
not that the subject is boring in any way.

<>
PW:
On a similar note, there is a podcast review of geoff lawton's DVD
"permaculture soils"

And podcast reviews of the following movies:

food matters
vanishing of the bees
fresh, the movie
broken limbs

and tomorrow there should be one about the "atlas shrugged" movie.

<>

That should be entertaining. I will look for it.

How about articles and/or podcasts on:

Buckminster Fuller
Edwards Deming
Louis Kahn
Alan Chadwick
Emelia Hazelip
Marc Bonfils

Here's a new and brilliant suggestion for a new permies project with
downloadable file/html page:

A permaculture and biointensive natural agriculture recommended
reading list or bibliography.
magazines
pamphlets
factsheets
books, HB & PB, in print/out of print
website that specialize in bibliographies and /or digital libraries
(like Journey To Forever and Soil and Health Library,
Google Books and Internet Archive, ibiblio)
digital media (audio, still and video photography, multimedia)
anything educational or documentary related to the topics
FAQs
cardfiles & rolodexes

I have a major contribution to make should you decide to add this to permies.

LL