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  • From: Frances and David Nokes <fdnokes@hotmail.com>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] permaculture Digest, Vol 100, Issue 2
  • Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:37:35 -0700

If you scroll down to the second message or use find function: aquaponics
really interesting message about a conference coming up in northern
california!
just picked up on it after mentioning the topic to you.
fran

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> 1. Fwd: [SANET-MG] The Failure of the Genome (Soil Doctor)
> 2. Re: BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal medicines come
> into force (?artin M)
> 3. Aquaponics + Biogas + Green Business = Food & Energy
> Independence (Living Mandala)
> 4. Re: Aquaponics + Biogas + Green Business = Food & Energy
> Independence (wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk)
> 5. Re: BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal medicines come
> into force (georg parlow)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 12:45:38 -0500
> From: Soil Doctor <soildoctor.org@gmail.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Fwd: [SANET-MG] The Failure of the Genome
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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> The current scientific inventory of genetic material in the human body puts
> the amount of human genetic material at a mere 0.7%. 99.3% is microbial
> and non-human. Metagenomics and metabolomics are popping the top off of
> the interactions between a human host and microbes and showing that in most
> human diseases and processes there is a microbial connection. A couple of
> months ago researchers published a paper showing guy microbes regulated
> human liver function, for one small example. Studying ONLY the human
> genetic material is like looking only at how a door handle is built in
> order to understand how a full house was constructed. I've made a few
> recent posts about the paradigm change occurring in medical sciences
> because there is greater understanding (through metagenomics and
> metabolomics) of human-microbial symbiosis and mutualism. Generally, the
> edge medical science is changing its treatment paradigm from "antibiotic"
> to "probiotic." I wrote about this on my soil blog
> because it mirrors what a lot of us are doing in regenerative
> microbiological agriculture. In case you're interested to hear from the
> researchers here's a couple of posts:
>
> http://soildoctor.org/?p=931
>
> http://soildoctor.org/?p=921
>
> Doug Weatherbee
> http://soildoctor.org
>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:38:22 -0600
>> From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: [SANET-MG] The Failure of the Genome
>> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Message-ID: <818C7745-515B-49F8-96D5-5A3543593B3B@patternliteracy.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> This article takes the typical journalist "gotta get a controversial
>> angle" stance and gets a lot of it wrong. For example,
>>
>> "The human genome sequencing project was based on a huge, but calculated,
>> gamble. The then leaders-to-be of the project believed that faulty genes
>> inherited from our parents were probably the cause of most disease."
>>
>> But then they quote the leader of the federal genome project who agrees
>> that there have been no significant cures. And the leader of the private
>> project, Craig Venter, always said it was more for the sake of doing it,
>> to see the patterns that reside in the genome, rather than to find cures.
>> Every geneticist I worked with for years understood that the correlation
>> between any single gene and a disease was going to be very murky. But the
>> power of DNA sequencing tools is immense, and is rewriting botanical
>> taxonomy and evolutionary relationships, among many other things, even if
>> the practical payoff, in terms of products and cures, is never going to
>> amount to much. What we're learning about the patterns of inheritance and
>> evolution is enormous.
>>
>> Toby
>> http://patternliteracy.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [SANET-MG] The Failure of the Genome
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:40:55 -0400
>>> From: jonathan latham <jrlatham@BIOSCIENCERESOURCE.ORG>
>>> To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
>>>
>>> This may look like it's not relevant to you but sustainable farmers,
>>> processors, supporters and researchers need to know about this and
>>> they need their customers, their funders, their friends and their
>>> neighbours to know about it too.
>>> As one of the comments notes, medical genetics got its start from the
>>> tobacco industry, and its second wind from the food and
>>> pharmaceutical industries. They know how to tilt the playing field.
>>> Sustainable farmers now have a chance to tilt it back. Send this to
>>> everyone you know (and every listserv you know).
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/17/human-genome-
>>> genetics-twin-studies
>>>
>>> sincerely
>>>
>>> Jonathan Latham (PhD)
>>> Executive Director
>>> The Bioscience Resource Project
>>> jrlatham@bioscienceresource.org
>>> 001-607-319-0290
>>>
>>> http://www.bioscienceresource.org/
>>>
>>> PO Box 6869
>>> Suite 132, 215 N. Cayuga St.
>>> Ithaca 14851 NY
>>> USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:58:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ?artin M <martinmikush@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal
> medicines come into force
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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> This is just one of the many ridiculous decisiions of the EU
> administrators, who apparently are living in some strange unearthy
> world. Lets take the case of Bulgaria trying to implement these
> regulations - it is so obvious that this is impossible - just take a
> walk through a market in rural Bulgaria and some could get a better
> idea about Brussels being out of sync with the reality , or maybe they
> want us to live in theyr artificial reality or even worst - they want
> to design the setting for total imprisonment of all of us who want to
> live a real self- reliant, healthy and peaceful life. On the weekly
> markets in rural Bulgaria ( part of the EU since 2007) farmers are
> selling milk and home made cheese, vegetable plants for gardening,
> dairy products ( goat , shep and cows cheese ) herbs and life animals
> ( chicken and pigs are regulars at the semi-legal market places) the
> local govermment officers are tolerant to this practise and have
> understanding. How the EU will try to kill this lively poor people's
> options to feed and heal themselfs? they tryied to made us stop
> smoking - didnt work , they tryied to make us stop making (moonshine)
> liquour and it didnt work. now they try to kill the habit of having
> herbal teas ??? law should follow the logic of life , not the logic of
> anonymous interests!
>
> I think that such discrepancies would lower the popularity of the
> project , called European Union.
> And then we will see a fast movemnt towards self- reliant existance
> with no respect to any Brussels born order.
>
> Martin M
>
> On Apr 30, 7:19?am, "Lawrence F. London, Jr."
> <venauraf...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> What many have feared appears to be happening. Now, what kind of pitiful
>> lamer politico/corporate sycophant weenie does it take to ban echinacea?
>> TCM and Ayurveda too? Really pitiful creepy jerks. I hope they don't try
>> this in the USA.
>>
>> Do not wait, the time is now to prepare for a self sufficient,
>> independent and self reliant lifestyle. Grow your own medicinal herbs
>> and food crops. Have at least a year's supply of homegrown foods on hand
>> at all times.
>>
>> <>
>>
>> BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal medicines come into
>> forcehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13215010
>> 29 April 2011 Last updated at 19:44 ET
>> By Dominic Hughes Health correspondent, BBC News
>>
>> New European Union rules come into force today banning hundreds of
>> traditional herbal remedies.
>>
>> The EU law aims to protect consumers from possible damaging side-effects
>> of over-the-counter herbal medicines.
>>
>> For the first time, new regulations will allow only long-established and
>> quality-controlled medicines to be sold.
>>
>> But both herbal remedy practitioners and manufacturers fear they could
>> be forced out of business.
>>
>> To date, the industry has been covered by the 1968 Medicines Act, drawn
>> up when only a handful of herbal remedies were available and the number
>> of herbal practitioners was very small.
>>
>> But surveys show that around a quarter of all adults in the UK have used
>> a herbal medicine in the past two years, mostly bought over the counter
>> in health food shops and pharmacies.
>>
>> The regulations will cover widely used products such as echinacea, St
>> John's Wort and valerian, as well as traditional Chinese and Indian
>> medicines.
>> Traditional Herbal Remedy logo Herbal remedies that have been approved
>> for sale under the new regulations will come with this logo
>>
>> But safety concerns have focused on the powerful effects of some herbal
>> remedies, as well as the way they interact with conventional drugs.
>>
>> For example, St John's Wort can interfere with the contraceptive pill,
>> while ginkgo and ginseng are known to have a similar effect to the
>> blood-thinning drug warfarin.
>>
>> ?From now on only products that have been assessed by the Medicine and
>> Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) will be allowed to go on sale.
>>
>> Manufacturers will have to prove that their products have been made to
>> strict standards and contain a consistent and clearly marked dose.
>>
>> And to count as a traditional medicine, products must have been in use
>> for the past 30 years, including 15 years within the EU.
>>
>> They will also only be approved for minor ailments like coughs and
>> colds, muscular aches and pains, or sleep problems.
>>
>> Remedies already on sale will be allowed to stay on the shelves until
>> they reach their expiry date.
>> Free from contamination
>>
>> Richard Woodfield, head of herbal medicine policy at the MHRA, says so
>> far there have been 211 applications, of which 105 have been granted
>> registration.
>> Continue reading the main story
>> ?Start Quote
>>
>> ? ? ?We're very concerned that patients appreciate they must be very
>> careful when they take these medicines and ideally should talk to their
>> doctor or pharmacist?
>>
>> Prof Jayne Lawrence Royal Pharmaceutical Society
>>
>> "Crucially, this EU directive and the registration scheme puts consumers
>> in the driving seat so they can identify that a product meets assured
>> standards on safety, quality and information about safe use.
>>
>> "Safety speaks for itself, but quality means, are they using the right
>> part of the plant? Is it free from contamination? Is the claimed shelf
>> life suitable?
>>
>> "Product information will include possible side effects and interactions
>> with other drugs, but above all it must make very clear that it is based
>> on traditional use."
>>
>> And that is a key point for the Royal Pharmaceutical Society, which
>> believes the new regime is a step forward in improving safety and quality.
>>
>> But Prof Jayne Lawrence, chief science adviser to the society, says
>> there are still some concerns about herbal products.
>>
>> "They certainly haven't been tested on the same basis as a conventional
>> medicine and some of these compounds are very potent.
>>
>> "Patients might not realise that in some cases they should not take
>> other medicines with them, or if they're going for surgery they should
>> tell their doctors they are taking these particular medicines because
>> there may be complications.
>>
>> "So we're very concerned that patients appreciate they must be very
>> careful when they take these medicines and, ideally, should talk to
>> their doctor or pharmacist."
>>
>> The manufacturers of herbal remedies have had seven years to prepare for
>> the new rules after the European Directive on Traditional Herbal
>> Medicinal Products was introduced in 2004.
>> Too onerous?
>>
>> These regulations apply to over-the-counter sales, which form the bulk
>> of herbal remedies sold in the UK.
>>
>> But some manufacturers and herbal practitioners have expressed concern,
>> arguing the new rules are too onerous for many small producers.
>>
>> Michael McIntyre, chairman of the European Herbal and Traditional
>> Medicines Practitioners Association, says there will be a significant
>> impact on herbal medicine practitioners and their suppliers, but admits
>> the rules do need bringing up to date.
>>
>> "Products that go on the market now will definitely do what it says on
>> the bottle, while we didn't know how good they were in the past.
>>
>> "But registration is expensive so perhaps there may be fewer products on
>> the market and a smaller range.
>>
>> "It's difficult to argue that the market should stay as it is, without
>> any regulation, but how many businesses will pack up and walk away? I
>> can't say."
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:56:14 -0700
> From: Living Mandala <livingmandala@livingmandala.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] Aquaponics + Biogas + Green Business = Food &
> Energy Independence
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:07:40 +0100 (BST)
> From: "wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk" <wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Aquaponics + Biogas + Green Business =
> Food & Energy Independence
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <854464.45446.qm@web25401.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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> --- On Sat, 4/30/11, Living Mandala <livingmandala@livingmandala.com> wrote:
>> Aquaponics combines Aquaculture with Hydroponics creating
>> one of the?
>> most sustainable and productive food systems on the
>> planet.
>
> Just out of interest, if aquaponics is one of the most sustainable and
> productive food systems on the planet (which I certainly cannot disagree
> with), what are the other contenders?
>
> Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:12:08 +0200
> From: georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] BBC News - New EU regulations on herbal
> medicines come into force
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <64D6920A-389D-4AC0-9040-3C61E1649C4B@gmx.at>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>> law should follow the logic of life , not the logic of
>> anonymous interests!
>>
>> I think that such discrepancies would lower the popularity of the
>> project , called European Union.
>>
>
> YES! I am looking forward to the unravelling of this artifical
> monstrosity ever since they stuffed it down our throats.
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en,
>
> Georg Parlow
> ************
> g.parlow@gmx.at
> 1230 Wien, Wohnpark Alterlaa B1/013
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