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  • From: Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Further Keyline/Yeoman's Plow References
  • Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 08:32:19 -0800

Thanks everyone who replied to my request for resources. I'm grateful to be
able to share and learn from permaculture practitioners around the world.
These will help us tremendously in our work. We have sent them off to a
couple of interested groups already. I hope others on the list found it
helpful to compile these as well.

Towards a participatory ecology,
Neil

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Owen Hablutzel <oweniii@ca.rr.com> wrote:

> Neil, and all interested...
>
> Here are two references of broadscale research using contour ripping on
> large areas of New Mexico and Arizona. Mainly they document the greatly
> decreased surface runoff and decreased erosion from these watersheds.
> Obviously the decrease will be even greater (and the expense less) using an
> actual Yeoman’s plow in conjunction with the specifically ‘amplified
> contours’ of Keyline pattern cultivation. Whereas merely contour plowing
> can potentially cause an actual increase of runoff and erosion, at least in
> the existing drainage channels (in my experience), by sending even more
> runoff into these outlets than would otherwise reach them.
>
> http://iahs.info/redbooks/a065/065003.pdf
>
> http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/5978/1/IND91001558.pdf
>
> Hat tip to Abe Collins, who alerted me to these two research papers some
> time ago.
>
>
>
> In addition there is an excellent profile with photos of Yeoman’s plow
> results from Chris Gill, a rancher also using Holistic Management in west
> Texas, at this LINK:
>
> http://circleranchtx.com/tag/habitatrestoration
>
> Shows not only increased production on rangeland, reduced bare ground,
> etc... but also the effectiveness of using the Yeoman’s plow for brush
> control; creosote (larrea tridentata) in this case. I can confirm as well
> the effectiveness of using the Yeoman’s plow for reversing creosote brush
> encroachment at large scales, in my experience also in the desert southwest.
> This has impressed the local resource agencies, since brush encroachment is
> something they have yet to develop a very effective and long-term treatment
> for in those parts.
>
> I know that the Texas NRCS (specifically Gary Fuentes, if I recall...) was
> most impressed with Chris Gill’s work (NRCS had initially advised Chris
> against it, but they came around upon seeing the results). If you are able
> to get Fuentes or the NRCS to talk to the Forest Service about their
> Yeoman’s/Keyline experience in TX, this may help grease the wheel for your
> NV project, Neil.
>
>
> Happy Ripping!
> Owen
>
>
>
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> 2. Re: Yeomans Plow and Keyline references wanted
> (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
> 3. Re: Yeomans plow and keyline references wanted (Jason Gerhardt)
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> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:35:20 -0800
> From: kirstie stramler <spiggygogo@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [permaculture] references for bertrando & the forest service
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> hi neil & everybody
>
> elaine ingham's work has become the mainstream science, it's just not yet
> being applied as broadly as it could/should be
> http://soils.usda.gov/sqi/concepts/soil_biology/biology.html
>
> some great stuff here
>
> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=soil+food+web&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1,5&as_sdtp=on
>
> not much here, as darren pointed out
>
> http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=keyline&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0,5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
>
> while you're at it, why not draw up some guidelines for the forest service
> to use elsewhere?
> i have yet to see a forest service job that doesn't involve pesticide &/or
> herbicide
> & i have yet to see a forest service building that uses greywater
>
> best to you & your lady
> kirstie
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:24 AM, <permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org
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>> 1. Yeomans Plow and Keyline references wanted (Neil Bertrando)
>> 2. Re: Yeomans Plow and Keyline references wanted (Darren Doherty)
>> 3. Robert Hart's Forest Garden - a set on Flickr
>> (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:38:38 -0800
>> From: Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com>
>> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [permaculture] Yeomans Plow and Keyline references wanted
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a request for information, network connections, suggestions, and
>> reflections.
>>
>> I'm based in Reno, Nevada, on the East slope of the Sierra Nevada mtns,
>> elevation ~4500 ft. lat. 39 degrees N. Winter Wet (Nov-May) precip ~5-10
>> inches/year, min temps ~ -10 F, max temps ~110 F.
>> I work with a environmental education, service, outreach, and education
>> non-profit organization, and we have recently started using a yeomans plow
>> and aerobic compost tea brewer as part of our tool kit for ecological
>> restoration projects.
>>
>> Currently, we're working on designing a 'restoration' and invasive weed
>> management project with the Forest Service, and we are planning on
>> starting
>> with soil renovation and improving hydrologic function as the foundation
>> of
>> our design implementation. To do this, we are combining a few tool sets
>> and
>> strategies including Permaculture, Keyline Design, and Soil Food Web. The
>> Forest Service has asked us for literature references specific to our
>> approaches. We have some but they are not comprehensive, and we are
>> looking
>> in particular for any references that examine broad acre landscape
>> treatment, restoration to native grasslands or grass-shrub mosaic
>> communities, cold arid/brittle environments, and invasive weed management.
>> Also, anything specific to the short and long term results of Keyline
>> pattern cultivation treatments with a yeomans plow would be exceptional.
>>
>> We're providing them with references to the PA Yeomans books, and the
>> Geographic Basis of Keyline. Anything beyond that is much appreciated.
>> This can include contact info for people with similar projects in
>> process.
>>
>> Thank you so much,
>> Towards an ecological society,
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:28:17 +1100
>> From: Darren Doherty <darren@permaculture.biz>
>> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Yeomans Plow and Keyline references wanted
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>> G'day,
>>
>> Keyline as a *system* has been remarkably under-researched, though more
>> importantly primary producers appreciate its benefits as more often than
>> not
>> they will listen to another producer than an extensionalist, though of
>> course I am generalising.
>>
>> Best advice I can give you is to look at the following sites:
>>
>> http://www.marincarbonproject.org/
>> http://soilcarboncoalition.org/
>> http://managingwholes.com/
>> http://www.keylinevermont.com/Welcome.html
>>
>> Have fun.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Darren
>>
>>
>> On 15 January 2011 07:38, Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have a request for information, network connections, suggestions, and
>> > reflections.
>> >
>> > I'm based in Reno, Nevada, on the East slope of the Sierra Nevada mtns,
>> > elevation ~4500 ft. lat. 39 degrees N. Winter Wet (Nov-May) precip ~5-10
>> > inches/year, min temps ~ -10 F, max temps ~110 F.
>> > I work with a environmental education, service, outreach, and education
>> > non-profit organization, and we have recently started using a yeomans
>> plow
>> > and aerobic compost tea brewer as part of our tool kit for ecological
>> > restoration projects.
>> >
>> > Currently, we're working on designing a 'restoration' and invasive weed
>> > management project with the Forest Service, and we are planning on
>> starting
>> > with soil renovation and improving hydrologic function as the foundation
>> of
>> > our design implementation. To do this, we are combining a few tool sets
>> > and
>> > strategies including Permaculture, Keyline Design, and Soil Food Web.
>> The
>> > Forest Service has asked us for literature references specific to our
>> > approaches. We have some but they are not comprehensive, and we are
>> > looking
>> > in particular for any references that examine broad acre landscape
>> > treatment, restoration to native grasslands or grass-shrub mosaic
>> > communities, cold arid/brittle environments, and invasive weed
>> management.
>> > Also, anything specific to the short and long term results of Keyline
>> > pattern cultivation treatments with a yeomans plow would be exceptional.
>> >
>> > We're providing them with references to the PA Yeomans books, and the
>> > Geographic Basis of Keyline. Anything beyond that is much appreciated.
>> > This can include contact info for people with similar projects in
>> process.
>> >
>> > Thank you so much,
>> > Towards an ecological society,
>> > Neil
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>> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 04:56:52 -0500
>> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
>> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: [permaculture] Robert Hart's Forest Garden - a set on Flickr
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>> Robert Hart's Forest Garden - a set on Flickr
>> London Permaculture > Collections
>> * > Forest Gardens > Robert Hart's Forest Garden
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/naturewise/sets/72157618526642486/with/3553933296/
>>
>> London Permaculture
>>
>> Robert Hart's Forest Garden
>>
>> Robert Hart?s original forest garden in Shropshire continues to hold a
>> fascination for a wide number of people. Hart?s description of the
>> garden in his books and confusion over what happened to the garden
>> following his death in March 2000 have both created an aura of mystery
>> which haunts references to the place.
>>
>> Highwood Hill is currently a private residence with no public access to
>> the site. The forest garden which Hart created appears to have been
>> partly cleared. The remaining elements have been untended and without
>> human intervention have proceeded on a path of natural succession. The
>> shade of the tree cover has led to a diminution in the under storey,
>> although a few fruit bushes are still visible.
>>
>> Robert Hart's garden survives in his books and in the gardens that
>> others have started around the world under his inspiration - it is not
>> here.
>>
>> *************************************** ******
>>
>> You can read more about the garden's past in these accounts:
>>
>> An account of a visit by a group of people from Plants For A Future in
>> the Summer of 1996 (comments underneath the original account, give some
>> information about subsequent developments).
>>
>> An account by Graham Burnett of a visit by Naturewise to the site in
>> July 1997 (with photos).
>>
>> In September 1997 David Jacke and Eric Toensmeir visited the garden,
>> took photographs and made up to date plans. These, and an account of
>> their visit can be found in their book Edible Forest Gardens; Volume
>> One: Visions & Theory (Chelsea Green: White River Junction, 2005). The
>> visit is also referred to briefly in this 2005 interview with David
>> Jacke, from Talking Leaves magazine.
>>
>> In July 1998 some graduates of a permaculture design course run by
>> Naturewise visited Robert Hart, a short account by Jascha Rohr is
>> available here . This also appears to be when the Iota Pictures video
>> Forest Gardening with Robert Hart was shot.
>>
>> An account of a visit by permaculture teacher Aranya to Robert Hart in
>> 1999 and some of the events subsequent to Hart?s death.
>>
>> Paul Evans visited the garden shortly after Hart?s death in March 2000,
>> a short account of which was published in The Guardian.
>>
>> Allan Shepherd wrote Hart?s Guardian obituary , including brief mention
>> of a visit to the Garden before Hart?s death.
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:25:18 -0500
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Yeomans Plow and Keyline references wanted
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> On 1/14/2011 3:38 PM, Neil Bertrando wrote:
>
> Currently, we're working on designing a 'restoration' and invasive weed
>> management project with the Forest Service, and we are planning on
>> starting
>> with soil renovation and improving hydrologic function as the foundation
>> of
>> our design implementation. To do this, we are combining a few tool sets
>> and
>> strategies including Permaculture, Keyline Design, and Soil Food Web. The
>> Forest Service has asked us for literature references specific to our
>> approaches. We have some but they are not comprehensive, and we are
>> looking
>> in particular for any references that examine broad acre landscape
>> treatment, restoration to native grasslands or grass-shrub mosaic
>> communities, cold arid/brittle environments, and invasive weed management.
>> Also, anything specific to the short and long term results of Keyline
>> pattern cultivation treatments with a yeomans plow would be exceptional.
>>
>> We're providing them with references to the PA Yeomans books, and the
>> Geographic Basis of Keyline. Anything beyond that is much appreciated.
>> This can include contact info for people with similar projects in
>> process.
>>
>
> I could write for hours on this topic.
> Read the past two dozen posts I sent to this list, soil ecology, soil
> testing, remineralization, Brix & nutrient dense foods and more.
>
> I am especially interested in the Yeoman plow and its many uses in
> farming and establishing water channeling on all terrain. I have owned
> one, a 3-26" shank with extended point system on fixed single toolbar.
> Links to pix included below. I would not be without this implement.
> Used in conjunction with a Howard Rotavator and a
> hiller-bedder-subsoiler/chisel plow shanks (see pix links below) you
> will have the ultimate combination of farm implements for 1) water
> channeling and distribution 2) raised bed farming and gardening for any
> crop.
>
> And you may find useful information in this document that I frequently
> update, certainly in the gardening hand tools department:
> January 6, 2011 Revision
> Gardening Hand Tool Sourcelist
> http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/documents/gardening-hand-tools.faq
> ===================================================================
> Biointensive Gardening Guide and Farm & Garden Hand Tool Sourcelist
> ===================================================================
> Permanent No-Till Biointensive Double-Dug Raised Bed Garden Preparation
> and Handtool Information & Sourcelist
> http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/documents/gardening-hand-tools.faq
>
> Links to the farm implement pictures:
> raised bed cropping system (old info but lots of pix of implements and
> raised beds on slopes, curving and on the contour
> http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/venaurafarm/raisedbeds/
>
> Many articles and links here:
> http://ecolandtech.blogspot.com/
> http://venaurafarm.blogspot.com/
>
> This is the one you'll be the most interested in:
> http://picasaweb.google.com/dirt.4arm/TractorEquipment#
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/dirt.4arm/VenauraFarm#
> field crops in raised beds created with equipment pictured above
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/dirt.4arm/GardenTools#
> hand garden tools I use year round
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:36:03 -0700
> From: Jason Gerhardt <jasongerhardt@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Yeomans plow and keyline references wanted
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> Hi Neil,
>
> Reading your post one reference comes to mind. Long-time permaculture
> educator Jerome Osentowski of Central Rocky Mountain Permaculture Institute
> made a very good film called "Natural Controls for Noxious Weeds" which
> applies to much of what you are looking for. I highly recommend getting in
> touch with Jerome to get a copy for your Forest Service folks.
> www.crmpi.org
>
> Jason
>
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