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["wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk" <wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk>]

I agree about getting permaculture into schools.
I have a couple of aquaponics specialist friends who are making good ground 
in this area in Suzhou.

As for me, I am trying to introduce Introductory courses in Yunnan, Guizhou 
and Guanxi, some of the poorest provinces.  These areas suffer terribly from 
both flood and drought, and even the expats that are have set up here have 
little extra cash to invest in training.

Anyway, I am going to try to get some kind of sponsorship from the likes of 
Cat, Komatsu and Leica, so we will see how it goes.
Even a training guy just for a day would be a good start.

But who else can I be approaching, there must be other manufacturers out 
there that want to gain access to permaculturalists.
Farm equipment manufacturers?
Green websites?
Seed companies?

Any other suggestions?

Chris

--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Ray Cirino <cobanation@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Ray Cirino <cobanation@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Industry sponsored PDCs
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 1:34 AM
> Permaculture is slowly getting into
> school grant programs and will be there 
> someday. The old school ways are not sustainable as many
> programs are being lost 
> to high tech. I taught at the largest high school in the
> states and most 
> everyone felt the need for it, especially the students. The
> hard part is getting 
> it in these green programs. I was able to teach there,
> because they didn't have 
> anyone that knew green or permaculture, so they picked me.
> We need more teachers 
> to make it relevant. Why aren't there more teachers?
> Because there aren't enough 
> jobs. It's about breaking through the hard pan and loosing
> the soil so it may 
> grow. 
> Ray
>  The Great Challenges we now face as a species present the
> very opportunities 
> that are giving birth to Ecological, Psychological, and
> Spiritual 
> Sustainability.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 6:19:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Industry sponsored PDCs
> 
> An interesting idea, but I wonder if they'd sponsor the 13
> days of a 14-day 
> course that aren't about earthworks. I would expect that if
> industry began 
> sponsoring PDCs, their cost would go up to what most
> industry-sponsored courses 
> are, about $200-500 USD per day. PDCs are actually some of
> the least expensive 
> forms of education around. Check prices of any other
> residential course in any 
> field. 
> 
> 
> The only industry-sponsored courses I've seen that are
> inexpensive are those for 
> people who have purchased a large piece of equipment or
> service from that 
> industry, like an excavator, or a jet. I got trained on
> fermentation equipment 
> after my former employer bought $80,000 worth of it. But we
> got the mini-course, 
> cuz that was a small sale. When we had to hire a two-person
> training team, it 
> cost $6,000 per day. (hey, I'm in the wrong field!)
> 
> The cheapest course I've seen was sponsored by the city of
> Eugene, Oregon, cost 
> $40 (non-residential) and had the classroom donated. Local
> gov't is probably a 
> good tack to try, although they don't have the budgets they
> used to. No one 
> does. Except--hmm. Would Wall Street sponsor PDCs?.
> 
> Most PDCs offer work-trades for low-income people. It just
> costs a lot to run a 
> course. (check the archives for details; we've had this
> conversation often). 
> 
> 
> Predictably,
> 
> Toby
> http://patternliteracy.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 2, 2011, at 2:22 AM, wenshidi@yahoo.co.uk
> wrote:
> 
> > In order to bring down the cost of PDC courses to more
> affordable levels, has 
> >anybody tried involving permaculture related industry
> representatives as 
> >sponsors?
> > 
> > I was thinking about having reps of the large
> excavator companies to introduce 
> >all the various kinds of earthworks equipment, in the
> same way that Bill 
> >Mollison does in the PDC manual.   Or
> perhaps a rep from one of the big 
> >geospatial companies to do a session on dumpies, laser
> levels and surveying 
> >tools.
> > 
> > Are there any other big industries out there that
> might want to promote their 
> >equipment or products to permaculture designers?
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
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