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  • From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Farmers and students at Tiananmen Square in 1989 (Was: Fwd: [Permaculture International] money ....)
  • Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:22:32 -0500

On 12/19/2010 9:53 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

Glad to hear a reply from someone about this unforgettable event.

On 12/19/2010 5:46 AM, Dieter Brand wrote:

KS wrote:
It is natural that farmers are radical, thinking about the roots
of things as much as they do.

Keep in mind, I did not write that, only included it for reference

Nope, it is natural that farmers are conservative because they need
to conserve the prosperity of the land that has come down to them
through generations of ancestors.

It is only in desperate times that farmers will rise up in arms and
throw away their lives together with their land because of the
hardship brought about by a combination of natural calamities and the
pressure from the city whose greed will drain the land of its last
resources.

So true.

Are the events described above true and accurate about the murders
and repression committed by the Chinese Government during the
Tiananmen Square demonstrations when thousands of farmers as well
as thousands of students participated together?

The true numbers will never be known. The subject is still a taboo
in China. But it is without a doubt one of the most horrible crimes
in modern times. And what's worse: the butchers of Tiananmen and
their heirs are still in power and dictate the destiny of more than a
billion people. They are now flexing their newly gained economical
muscle to bully smaller Nations into submission and buy up land in
Africa on a large scale. This will be something to watch in the
years to come.

Personally I doubt that the farmer element at Tiananmen was very
significant, but I don’t have any firm data. There were probably
small numbers of farmers who happened to be at the capital at the
time and somehow got mixed up in the events. At the time, nobody
thought it would end like that. The students sized the opportunity
of Gorbachev’s visit to Beijing to encourage a political liberation
in China similarly to the one that was taking place in the Soviet
Union. They thought that they would be safe in the limelight of the
international news. But that was forgetting the bloody-mindedness of
the rulers in Beijing. To mow down unarmed civilians of your own
citizenry with tanks is about the most dastardly thing anybody can
do. Chinese rulers will have to live with the stigma for generations
to come.

What a great piece of writing, Dieter.
My Father was a PBK member and PHD in history, rare books curator who
would have stood up and given you a hearty applause for this.

Thanks for this accurate bit of history and rememberance of those truly
valiant ones who fell, i.e. sacrificed their lives, during that almost
unbelievable, horrible event. It is worth remembering those wonderful
folks who lost their lives as we celebrate our Christmas season and
others celebrate according to their tradition.

Lawrence London

A followup comment on a related topic I recently posted on the Coffee Party Facebook page:
As for the teaparty anti-socialist rants...
research/Google the village-based agrarian socioeconomic system that prevailed in the Ukraine before the Russian Revolution when the party that supported them, the Social Democrats, who sought power in Russia (these were the true "communists", of, by and for the people) and Germany, were defeated by Lenin and his Bosheviks which led to the rise in power of Stalin and his Communist (NOT) Party who were totalitarian criminal thugs. They need to get their facts straight. The Social Democrats in the Ukraine were in an all out struggle for personal survival and you know what unfortunate events unfolded afterward over the decades.




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