permaculture

[Jude Hobbs <cascadia@starband.net>]

Hello Blake,

Hopefully, things have settled down a bit.  I'm writing to see if you 
would be available for a Salmon Safe site inspection on November 3rd at 
10:00?

Jude

Agro-Ecology Northwest
Cottage Grove, Oregon
541-342-1160

On 10/25/10 10:24 AM, permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
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>     1. Fwd: Re:  official certification (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>     2. Re: colony collapse disorder solved!, blogs, lists, mirrors,
>        forums, websites (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>     3. Fwd: Re: [SANET-MG] News from the other side (good news for
>        us, bad news for monsanto&  hopefully other ag biotech firms)
>        (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>     4. Pest and disease management for organic farmers, growers and
>        smallholders. (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>     5. New book - Principles of Ecology in Plant Production
>        (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>     6. Mirror sites for this list. (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 05:11:21 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<lflj@bellsouth.net>
> To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [permaculture] Fwd: Re:  official certification
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> I see several things that need to happen.
>
> 1) Permaculture standards need to be defined and upheld. Based on those 
> standards there is a need to develop
> permaculture curricula in the form of courses and field work with 
> certification awarded to those who have successfully
> completed this education.
> [If you advertise yourself as a certified permaculture designer, teacher or 
> consultant
> and some entity like US\AID wants to hire you to go to Nepal to carry out a 
> project they have set up, you need to assure
> them that you have the training, experience and can actually fulfill your 
> contractual obligations to them
> or perform your duties as expected as a salaried employee.]
> 2) A less informal approach to permaculture needs to be made available to 
> individuals and groups so that community
> development and farming and homesteading operations of all sizes, centered on 
> the implementation of permaculture
> strategies, can happen and move forward. This describes Killian's situation 
> as I see it and is what Paul Wheaton is
> talking about and advising others to go for. This is all about lots of 
> permaculture designers, teachers and consultants
> working without credentials, i.e. formal certification or those people 
> incorporating their knowledge of permaculture
> into other teaching or consulting work they do on the subjects of 
> homesteading and/or some form of agriculture.
>
> I hope those already working on this will be able to put together some sort 
> of governing body that can oversee
> all aspects of permaculture education and professionalism in the field, 
> offering coursework and accreditation
> to those enthusiastic about pursuing a career in Permaculture.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 05:38:43 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<lflj@bellsouth.net>
> To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] colony collapse disorder solved!, blogs,
>         lists, mirrors, forums, websites
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> On 10/24/2010 8:49 PM, paul wheaton wrote:
> > > This is an excellent, excellent instructional video! Thanks, Paul.
> > > With Jacqueline you also get the Biodynamic perspective as she is actively
> > > involved in that movement. Her forthcoming book will be a must have as is
> > > your video. Maybe you could create a document to go along with it that
> > > contains the highlights of the data presented in the video
> > > (you have to write quick and watch at the same time and you're going to want
> > > to get that information down on paper).
> > I tried to write a lot of the key stuff in the description for the video.
> >
> > The weird thing is that I kinda thought this video was gonna go viral,
> > or make the news or something.  I spent a huge amount of time editing
> > it.  And then when it got about the same amount of traffic as most of
> > my videos, the wind sorta left my sails.
> This video is one of the best available on the subject of natural beekeeping
> and is unique. I will get back into my YouTube account and try to boost the 
> video
> there and everywhere else I promote Permies.com and that's in a lot of places.
> list homepages
> websites
> message footer
> blogs as static info and posts
> - I can create an extra page in my Blogger blogs for Permies.com:
> [I need a preferred name for that page]
> EcoLandTech
> http://ecolandtech.blogspot.com
> permaculturelist (mirrors this list&  allows comments)
> http://permaculturelist.blogspot.com/
> - I plan to create a Google group and Google website for this blog
> to facilitate user upload of documents, graphics and audio
>
> Here's the list of blogs I currently own at Blogger:
> EcoLandTech
> http://permaculturelist.blogspot.com/
> Permaculture Mailing List Blog
> http://permaculturelist.blogspot.com/
> mirrors the permaculture list
> Appropriate Technology
> http://approtechnology.blogspot.com/
> this mirrors the approtech mailing list
> Market Agriculture
> http://marketagriculture.blogspot.com/
> mirrors the marketfarming list
> Seed Preservation
> http://seedpreservation.blogspot.com/
> Seed Savers
> http://seedsavers.blogspot.com/
> Seed Keepers
> http://seedkeeperslist.blogspot.com/
> mirrors the seedkeepers list
>
> Michael Burns&  I own the Permaculture blog at Wordpress
> (to be renamed Permaculture Mailing List Blog when mirroring can be gotten to 
> work)
> http://permaculturelist.wordpress.com
> He plans n mirroring other permaculture lists he runs and we hope to mirror 
> this permaculture list eventually
> but have so far been unsuccessful in getting mail forwarding  to work (WP 
> seems to do some wierd filtering
> in their gateway for email destined as blog posts).
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 05:54:21 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<lflj@bellsouth.net>
> To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [permaculture] Fwd: Re: [SANET-MG] News from the other side
>         (good news for us, bad news for monsanto&  hopefully other ag biotech
>         firms)
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] News from the other side
> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 21:41:27 -0500
> From: Douglas Hinds<cedecor@GMX.NET>
> Reply-To: Douglas Hinds<cedecor@gmx.net>
> Organization: CeDeCoR, A.C.
> To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
>
>
> I just noticed a note sent by saneter Thomas Wittman referring to a
> Grist article that cited a NY Times article on this theme:
>
> http://www.grist.org/article/2010-10-12-what-monsantos-fall-from-grace-reveals-abo-the-gmo-seed-industry
>
> What Monsanto?s fall from grace reveals about the GMO seed industry
> by Tom Philpott
>
> 12 Oct 2010 3:39 PM
>
> I got caught up in a cyclone of travel, meetings, and speechifying
> the last two weeks, so I'm a bit behind on the latest news in the
> food world. But I did take note of Andrew Pollack's Oct. 4 New York
> Times story on the recent plight of genetically modified (GM) seed
> giant Monsanto, long-time Wall Street darling and b?te noire of the
> sustainable food movement.
>
> Pollack summed up Monsanto's woes like this:
>
> As recently as late December, Monsanto was named "company of the
> year" by Forbes magazine. Last week, the company earned a different
> accolade from Jim Cramer, the television stock market commentator.
> "This may be the worst stock of 2010," he proclaimed. On Tuesday,
> Forbes publicly lamented its decision to deem Monsanto "company of
> the year." The headline was cutting: "Forbes was wrong about
> Monsanto. Really wrong." How did Monsanto go from Wall Street hero
> to Wall Street doormat?
>
> According to The Times' Pollack, Monsanto's troubles are two-fold:
> 1) the patent on Roundup, Monsanto's market-dominating herbicide,
> has run out, exposing the company to competition from cheap Chinese
> imports; and 2) its target audience -- large-scale commodity farmers
> in the south and Midwest -- are turning against its core offerings
> in genetically modified corn, soy, and cotton seed traits.
>
> I agree with Pollack's diagnosis, but I want to add a third and even
> more fundamental problem to the mix: Monsanto's once-celebrated
> product pipeline is looking empty. As I'll show below, its current
> whiz-bang seeds offer just tarted-up versions of the same old traits
> it has been peddling for more than a decade: herbicide tolerance and
> pest resistance. Meanwhile, judging from the company's recent report
> on its latest quarterly earnings, the "blockbuster" traits it has
> been promising for years -- drought resistance and nitrogen-use
> efficiency -- don't seem to be coming along very well.
>
> Why do I say that? In my days as a reporter covering the stock
> market, I read a lot of company financial reports. When a high-tech
> company like Monsanto disappointed Wall Street analysts with its
> financial performance, it would strain to draw attention to
> "next-generation" products that promised huge future returns to
> investors. But in its report on its disappointing quarter last week,
> Monsanto did no such thing. It gave zero details about
> next-generation seeds, and instead focused on its "revamped pricing
> approach." Translated, that means that after years of constantly
> jacking up prices, the company is being forced to slash them to keep
> farmers interested. The loss of pricing clout is devastating for a
> high-tech company like Monsanto.
>
> What gives? Why is the company that once ruled the Big Ag universe
> like Darth Vader now whimpering like a mouse?
>
> Stuck in the mud
>
> As Pollack delicately puts it, Monsanto "has been buffeted by
> setbacks this year." The most famous one is the rise of
> Roundup-resistant "superweeds," first in the south and then in the
> Corn Belt, that has forced thousands of farmers to reconsider the
> merits of Monsanto's flagship Roundup Ready crop varieties.
>
> Monsanto's response has been to roll out its much-ballyhooed
> SmartStax corn seed, "stacked" with a mind-boggling eight foreign
> genes. Colluding with its arch-rival Dow AgroSciences -- whatever
> happened to antitrust, again? -- Monsanto loaded the new wonder-seed
> with multiple varieties of the toxic gene from Bt, a naturally
> occurring bacteria that had been used as a pesticide for years
> before Monsanto came along. Each of the Bt varieties in SmartStax
> targets a specific insect. To address the problem of
> Roundup-resistant "superweeds," the SmartStax seed combines
> Monsanto's Roundup Ready trait with Dow's trait for resistance to
> its own proprietary herbicide, Liberty. Now corn farmers can douse
> their fields freely with not one but two broad-spectrum herbicides!
>
> In a press release heralding the advent of SmartStax when it was
> still in development back in 2007, a Monsanto exec expressed the
> company's hopes and dreams for the new product:
>
> "By bringing together the two companies that have developed and
> commercialized the trait technologies widely used in agriculture
> today, we can provide farmers an 'all-in-one' answer to demands for
> comprehensive yield protection from weed and insect threats," said
> Carl Casale, executive vice president of strategy and operations for
> Monsanto. "Farmers will have more product choices to optimize
> performance and protection, and that translates into a
> higher-yielding opportunity and a new growth proposition for their
> businesses and ours." But as I say above, SmartStax is just a mashup
> of various forms of the only two traits Monsanto has ever brought to
> market: herbicide tolerance and Bt toxicity.
>
> And unfortunately for Monsanto and its once fat-and-happy
> shareholders, SmartStax corn is starting to look, well, not so
> smart. According to The Times' Pollack, early data from this year's
> corn harvest suggest that SmartStax is "providing yields no higher
> than the company's less expensive corn, which contains only three
> foreign genes." As a result, the company is having to slash prices
> on both SmartStax and its new soybean seed, cleverly called Roundup
> Ready 2 Yield. Oops.
>
> The evident failure of SmartStax to deliver yield gains may be the
> straw that crushes Monsanto's long-time claim that its products
> offer farmers dramatically higher yields than do conventional seeds.
> In a 2009 paper called "Failure to Yield," Doug Gurian-Sherman, a
> senior scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, showed that
> since their public debut in 1996, GM traits have actually provided,
> at best, marginal yield gains -- and in fact in some cases have
> caused yields to decrease.
>
> So why is Monsanto merely rearranging and stacking up last year's
> traits, and not rolling out new ones?
>
> Tough row to hoe
>
> Here's what I think, from years of listening to industry critics
> like Gurian-Sherman and the Center for Food Safety's Andrew
> Kimbrell: It is one thing to splice a particular trait like
> herbicide or pesticide resistance into the corn genome. You isolate
> the gene in an organism like Bt that kills insects, splice it into
> the corn genome, and watch it express itself.
>
> But transforming a crop's way of taking up water and fertilizer --
> the goal of engineering crops that can withstand drought and use
> nitrogen more efficiently -- is infinitely more complex. These
> intricate processes developed through millions of years of
> evolution. They don't involve a single gene, but rather groups of
> genes interacting in ways that are little understood. And as the
> Union of Concerned Scientists' Gurian-Sherman told me in an
> interview, in the process of achieving a complex trait like drought
> resistance, breeders often generate unintended traits, such as
> susceptibility to disease. These are known as "pleiotropic effects"
> -- simply the idea that changing one aspect of a thing can create
> multiple, unpredictable effects. Pleiotropy is the scourge of GMO
> breeders looking to create the next generation of miracle transgenic
> seeds.
>
> In his 2009 paper No Sure Fix [PDF], Gurian-Sherman shows that
> attempts to create nitrogen-efficient GM seeds that actually work
> well in the field have so far failed -- and that conventional
> breeders have actually managed to generate significant gains in
> nitrogen-use efficiency in the field without resorting to transgenic
> methods.
>
> In his Times piece, Andrew Pollack reports that Monsanto "hopes" to
> introduce another complex trait, drought-tolerance in corn, sometime
> in 2012. My experience as a business reporter tells me that if
> Monsanto execs were confident in their ability to do so, they would
> have trumpeted it in their dismal recent quarterly report.
>
>   From my perspective, what we're seeing is signs that GMO technology
> is much cruder and less effective than its champions have let on.
> After decades of hype and billions of dollars worth of research,
> much of it publicly funded, the industry has managed to market
> exactly two traits. More devastating still, it has failed on its own
> terms: it has not delivered the promised dazzling yield gains.
>
> As Monsanto execs scramble to win back their mojo with Wall Street
> investors -- the lot that brought us the dot-com and housing busts
> in the past decade alone -- the rest of us would do well to remember
> that the surest path to a bountiful future lies in supporting
> biodiversity, not in narrowing it away by handing the globe's seed
> heritage to a few bumbling companies.
>
> Tom Philpott is Grist?s senior food and agriculture writer.
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:08:28 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr."<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
> To: permaculture<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [permaculture] Pest and disease management for organic
>         farmers,        growers and smallholders.
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [SANET-MG] Pest and disease management for organic farmers,
> growers and smallholders.
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:45:19 +0100
> From: Phil Sumption<psumption@HDRA.ORG.UK>
> Reply-To: Sustainable Agriculture Network Discussion Group
> <SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU>,              Phil Sumption
> <psumption@HDRA.ORG.UK>
> To: SANET-MG@LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
>
> This new book Pest and disease management for organic farmers, growers
> and smallholders- a complete guide has just been released by Crowood
> Books. Though UK oriented hope it is of interest.
> http://www.organicgrowersalliance.co.uk/node/305